Hi Mark Thanks for your comments. I agree Mediawiki would be a good option, and like the idea of dividing into the three audiences you mentioned (I did something somewhat similar for TW for the rest of us), though I think some items like list filters and customization should be for both end users and non-developer power users.
Dave On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:45 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < [email protected]> wrote: > I think a MediaWiki or similar solution would be a great thing. MediaWiki > has a listing of MW sites available, including at least one that says its > free and add-free (but who knows what the details are?). Other sites are > fairly inexpensive if data can be kept under 10G. > > The question is, is all the stuff currently in TiddlyWiki now technically > copyrighted, or can it be ported to another working environment? > > The current system of documentation discourages participation. I've > written documentation and tutorials for other products, and wouldn't mind > doing so for TW, but not tethered the way the current system is. > > Mark > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 11:28:57 PM UTC-8, Riz wrote: >> >> >> >> Ok, so this is a post I have been planning to make for long. Wear your >> seat-belts. >> >> Obligatory warning: The following comments are made out of a sincere >> desire to see this platform getting better and appealing to more people. >> Remember that I have no personal gains from writing this. >> >> The thread is missing the point of Josiah's post. The need for a >> co-ordinated effort to create community documentation. >> >> | It's like buying a book on first aid and complaining that there's no >> chapter on removing kidneys. >> >> TW5's competition is not evernote. People look for Tiddlywiki when they >> already left behind evernote and are looking for alternatives. So from the >> scores of alternatives available, why would one choose TW5? >> >> TW5 as a first aid solution is not the main part of its charm. We have to >> admit its limitations compared to the competing solutions. Saving for one. >> Telling people you can use this as a single page html anywhere is >> wonderful, as long as you have firefox and a plugin is not equally so. The >> impending death of Tiddlychrome will be effectively ruling out SPA use in >> Chrome unless you are game to put up with a less pleasing user experience. >> >> Also to be mentioned is the inability to use javascript. I understand >> that there are hurdles wrt security (not really, but for the sake of this >> post, let us pretend that I understand.). Nevertheless this is a >> disadvantage a lot of other wikis do not have. [Meanwhile if I use a TW >> just in my computer in the HTML format without having to worry about >> security, can I enable the js scripts? There are a lot of awesome js >> scripts out there and waiting for someone to adapt those to TW undermines >> the whole standing-on-the-shoulders-of-giants approach. Enablejs plugin >> is not working,:-( ] >> >> If people wanted a simple note taking wiki, they could use zim or Raneto >> or even wordpress, and for extensive purposes there are bigger projects >> like foswiki or Xwiki or Twiki. >> >> As someone who spend quite some time testing several solutions listed in >> wikimatrix.com, I can say this with a level of confidence that the >> advantage of TW5 is its flexibility. It gives you a scalpel that can cut >> out a make a simple slash or remove the kidney (enough with the medical >> analogies. That would be the last one.) >> >> However, while TW5 shows you the sky, it currently fails you give you >> enough wings (told you, no more medical analogies). The other day I was >> looking for a solution to export a list to a text file. The text file would >> show up with the content <$list filter="[tag[HelloThere]]"/> - which is >> obviously not what I wanted. I am not ego-centric enough to believe that I >> am the first one to have this question. Someone might have, and he would >> have found a solution. It might be even in this group, I just have to spend >> 20-25 mins trying to sift through the chaff and get to the solution. Of >> course you can ask the group, you people will graciously put in time and >> effort to answer. Nevertheless, having to ask such a possibly simple >> question, over and over again is a dehumanizing experience. Not a whole lot >> will subscribe to that. >> >> This is the point where I have this question: Why is Tiddlyverse so >> averse to the idea of setting up an organized community documentation? >> >> Jeremy Ruston is a single human being who has as much time as any of us. >> Besides being the main developer of TW5 which he does not use to earn his >> bread, expecting him to take point on documentation and creating tutorials >> is seriously unfair. >> It has been quite some time since Erwan outlined a commendable model for >> TW5 documentation and Mat raised the issue in an earnest manner. Has there >> been much progress since then? The Wikidocs group is dead and dry as, well, >> whatever is dead and dry. >> >> Now here is a couple of proposals. >> 1. Create a mediawiki to document TW5. (gasp, audible murmurs and >> chattering of pitchforks). TW5 is not supporting collaborative editing and >> user approval as of now. It was not intended for such an aim if I >> understand it correctly. That being so, there is no harm or shame in using >> other services. The approved users can create documentation which will >> remove the burden from a single person. There are services that will host a >> mediawiki for free. >> 2. Create something of the nature of Tiddlydrive where users can simply >> submit a plain text write-up which will be incorporated to the wiki after >> being reviewed by a subgroup of moderators. This actually is more demanding >> than the first option, but it has the advantage that people does not have >> to learn to clone-commit-push-and-pull. >> >> Documentation is tough to come by. Demanding that a user should learn the >> ways of github which is not the most user-friendly solutions, is akin to >> actively discouraging the user submissions except from a niche. There are >> scores of cases, examples, tweaks and customisations that has no place in >> the official website. Nor is its place scattered in a 100 different TWs or >> 1000 different posts. >> >> sincerely >> Someone who took 2 months to realize that you can actually change the >> color of site title. >> >> PS: For those who put up with the long read, here is a JSON. It will set >> your sidebar search field to only activate the search upon pressing enter >> key. 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