Ciao Philippe I think you hit on a central point. The SEEING of "WOW, you can do THAT!"
IMO we are selling ourselves short in NOT showing enough USE CASES to make clear HOW FLEXIBLE TiddlyWiki is. Or rather, they do get shown/mentioned in the Google Group BUT because of the way it works once the thread is old you have no way to easily find them. Overall I think we make life harder for beginners than it should be. Best wishes Josiah On Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:21:00 UTC+1, Philippe Le Toquin wrote: > > Hello Mark, > > "How do you append to a list a title with spaces using a text reference?" > may not be a typical use-case (I am not even sure I understand what it > means!!) but I think that as the use-case list grows then people will be > saying "Wow you can do all that with Tw5!" > > I personally used what was TW classic years ago and was mainly using it to > keep some notes. I stopped because I lost my file due to no backup and > couldn't not be bothered to start again. > > More recently I rediscovered TW5 and decided to use it again. Reading some > of the documentations (which is great for the most part!), I realised that > it is more than a note keeping tool and that one can do a lot of things > with it if you know how to "program" it. My own TW file that I use to > manage my bakery was created because of some of the use-case I found and > thought well that could be useful for what I would ideally want to do. > > May be we should use the term Cookbook rather that use-case. > > > On Saturday, 3 December 2016 20:05:56 UTC, Mark S. wrote: >> >> Hello Josiah, >> >> So, do you think the MAIN problem with tiddlywiki.com is lack of >> use-cases? >> >> In that case, perhaps you could help identify areas that need better >> use-cases, and then we could add them ... and ta-dah! Done. >> >> However, I don't think the one case you pointed out, "How do you append >> to a list a title with spaces using a text reference?" is a typical or >> general use-case. A creative person could probably think of a hundred such >> special cases, and they wouldn't be in any documentation just as "How do I >> paint the Mona Lisa?" would not be included with the documentation for a >> beginner's paint set. >> >> However, once someone has figured out the solution to "How do you append >> to a list a title with spaces using a text reference?" then I suppose it >> could be added to TiddlyWiki.com? Perhaps in the How-To section? >> >> If just adding a new entry is suitable, then maybe what we really need is >> a documentation group or documentation thread. People can nominate topics >> and solutions they have found that they would like added to the >> documentation. Others can grab the topics, indicate that they will be >> submitting the items to github (like calling "dibs"), and then make the >> submissions. >> >> Have fun, >> Mark >> >> >> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8, Josiah wrote: >>> >>> Ciao Mark S >>> >>> You make great points. >>> >>> IMO USE CASES are seriously currently UNDERDONE compared to other >>> software. >>> >>> I guess in back of my mind are questions about USAGE. >>> >>> I think a VERY good example is how to post to social networks. Something >>> I consider basic. In theory everything is there in TW that allows posting >>> via the URI mechanisms. Actually doing it with properly URI formatted URLS >>> is another story. I tried. I failed. I'm lacking the documentation I'd need. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Josiah >>> >>> On Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:09:15 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> Responses to various points -- >>>> >>>> There probably need to be 3 document paths: User, Advanced User, >>>> Developer. >>>> >>>> Each bit of documentation could include the version it was written for. >>>> Then the reader could decide if what they're reading is applicable. >>>> >>>> Adding better use-cases would be much more tempting with a MediaWiki >>>> (or some other Wiki/Blogging tool). >>>> >>>> Github is a pain, but not as much as waiting 6 to 12 weeks to see your >>>> stuff submitted. >>>> >>>> A MediaWiki type solution would allow people to get stuff out there >>>> while attention spans are still focused. Then no one could deny they said >>>> (promised?) it. >>>> >>>> When TiddlyFox stops working, you should be able to save with the >>>> fall-back mechanism, which operates as a series of downloads. For any one >>>> session it feels just like it does now. But when you start a new session, >>>> you need to copy over the last TW you saved to your starting folder/site. >>>> I >>>> can imagine a script of some type helping to automate the process. >>>> >>>> Probably coming up with a good workflow will be important for beginners >>>> when the changes occur. The thing to understand is that, since the very >>>> beginning, TW has been doing something that's considered a no-no in the >>>> security world: Saving copies of itself to the hard drive. In the past it >>>> used various loop-holes, developer's backdoors, java code and extensions. >>>> Over time the browser developers have become more serious about security >>>> and having been closing the loop-holes. >>>> >>>> I doubt the confusing code elements are going to change, because too >>>> much of the system has been built on them. But having documentation that >>>> highlights these ambiguities would allow users to more readily thread >>>> their >>>> way through DIY solutions. >>>> >>>> Pax, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I want to affirm Josiah and Riz's frustration, from someone who has >>>>> done introductory documentation for TW classic (TiddlyWiki for the rest >>>>> of >>>>> us) and the current TiddlyWiki (which you can still find on >>>>> tiddlywiki.com, and which I added via Github, and Github was a >>>>> miserable experience for me. I still don't get it). >>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. 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