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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Aarre Peltomaa <[email protected]>wrote:
> Hi Martin, Jan. 6/11 > > I love your evaluation. One thing I still haven't resolved though. Can > you elucidate to me what I should do if I see a mugger beating up an old > lady to steal her money, or worse yet, just for the thrills. I know that > she is motivating and postulated it, and so forth, but it's still wrong for > him to do this, and for her to 'receive' this. If it's life threatening to > her, should I go over and knock his bloody lights to kingdom come? Surely I > can't just allow it to happen, otherwise haven't I commited a contrasurvival > action of omission 'overt'? This is a very wide encompassing philosophical > point I've wondered upon for a long time. > Thanks, Aarre Peltomaa > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Martin >> The things we believe to be unquestiionabley true are the ones we will >> have to most trouble timebreaking with TROM. This is why it is important >> to >> thank those opponents to your goals that cause you misemotion or cause you >> take action i.e. effort against them. They are bringing up what you need >> to >> timebreak so you can see it. >> I was never inclined to be a soldier so I may not be as dedicated to >> strategy and tatics of military conflict as you are, but I have read Sun >> Tzu's "The Art of War" because it resonates with my reactive minds need to >> take effective action agains agressors. I understand the game. I have >> spent a lot of time defining who I am fighting against and why so I could >> timebreak the beingnesses, postulates, counter postulates, emotions and >> efforts out of life's conflicts. Despite this I still have a first >> reaction >> to some aggressors like government bureaucrats, bankers, lawyers and >> courts, >> cops etc that I should shoot them first and talk later. >> I have much to work on here. >> >> "I'm very uncertain on how to reason away life's necessities to protect >> itself." >> >> Your point is excellent. It at first seem unlikely that I can choose not >> to >> play a game with murders, robbers, bankers, etc and they will not bother >> me. >> however, the more I work at timebreaking my compulsion to meet aggression >> with aggression the more I find that my lack of interest in playing the >> game >> results in the game not occurring. It is easier to see this when the game >> is one of just trading insults with another person. They say "your mother >> wears army boots" and you ignore that comment and say well, Hi to you too, >> and how are you doing this bright sunny day? The next origination from >> this >> other will not be as insulting as the first. >> It would probably be harder for you to accept that all victims of crime >> are actively looking for someone to hurt them before the crime occurs. In >> my experience this is exactly the case. >> >> Anyway, these are interesting ideas to kick around and see if they work >> for >> you. I expect there are hard financial times coming in the form of a new >> Great Depression with 35% unemployment etc.. I could buy a lot of guns >> and >> ammo and shoot everyone who comes near or raise a large garden and start a >> neighbor hood garden club where we all try to raise different edible crops >> and trade with each other to get greater variety of things to eat. I am >> choosing the second course of action in the expectation that the criminals >> will go elsewhere where people want to be victims and other neighbors who >> want to be self sufficient will come to trade for food with me. We will >> see >> how this works out. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> ]On >> Behalf Of Martin Foster >> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:44 AM >> To: The Resolution of Mind list >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Opportunities to time-break >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> On 4/Jan/2011 18:26, Pete McLaughlin wrote: Snipped: >> > I understand your need to do something about people who oppose your >> goals >> > for the trom list but your need is just a compulsion to take a role in >> > another's game. You need to be able to let others play games with >> others >> > without your needing to interfere. >> ------------------------------------ >> Pete - This life, last life and most of my lives before I soldiered. >> I've always been a warrior. >> >> In the CoS I was often used by the old GO Guardian Office to preempt >> attacks on the Church. I never found any so called SP's -- LOL >> >> Recently - due to the crime in our area I drew up admin scales to >> establish neighborhood watches. The crime has consequently reduced. >> >> I'm very uncertain on how to reason away life's necessities to protect >> itself. >> >> I do, slightly, see your and Lester Levenson's point's of view. >> >> Ant, on the Ivy list, assisted me years ago in restraining a tendency of >> mine to be very acerbic with those who in a battle of wits failed to arm >> themselves, - (You see - there I go again) >> >> I'm obviously back on Level-4. The eight classes of overwhelm >> >> Oh shit - I have so much to time-break on level 4 - I think it will take >> a few eternities. >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> > >
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