On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Nick Palmer wrote:

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Each person's environmental "spaceship" can also be seen as a globe about 1km in diameter within which we have a patch of "Earth" about 270 meters square, 70% of which is ocean, leaving the aforementioned patch of land 150 metres square to live on. I think that shows that Earth is pretty cramped and it is beyond rational belief that our activities are not affecting things.


Nick Palmer


Here is some evidence that strongly supports that premise:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081218094551.htm

http://tinyurl.com/8lglbj

"... reforestation of agricultural lands—abandoned as the population collapsed—pulled so much carbon out of the atmosphere that it helped trigger a period of global cooling ... "

"What they found was a record of slowly increasing charcoal deposits, indicating increasing burning of forestland to convert it to cropland, as agricultural practices spread among the human population— until around 500 years ago: At that point, there was a precipitous drop in the amount of charcoal in the samples, coinciding with the precipitous drop in the human population in the Americas."

"Variations in the amount of sunlight striking the Earth, caused by a drop in sunspot activity, could also be a factor in cooling down the globe, as could a flurry of volcanic activity in the late 16th century. But the timing of these events doesn't fit with the observed onset of the carbon dioxide drop. These events don't begin until at least a century after carbon dioxide in the atmosphere began to decline and the ratio of heavy to light carbon isotopes in atmospheric carbon dioxide begins to increase."

We know the amount of CO2 we have contributed, and the effect it is having, especially on the oceans. Regardless any other things that might be happening or will happen, we know (1) we are measurably and substantially affecting the atmosphere (2) the effect of this has been and will continue to be the elimination of the habitat of various animal and human populations of the earth, and (3) we do not know the extent this anthropogenic greenhouse gas creation will self- amplify through feedback mechanisms like the gasification of methane hydrates, the exposure of polar waters, desert expansion, krill and coral extermination, etc.

It is surprising to me that people who are not scientifically qualified as atmospheric scientists and who deny the possibility of anthropogenic global warming and anthropogenic species extermination seem to be unable to accept the possibility they are utterly in the wrong, especially media pundits who do not seem to realize the consequences of their being wrong while using their media soap box to vociferously deny the possibility of it. They should continually be confronted with the question of exactly what forthcoming facts would convince them they are wrong, e.g. global fires due to vegetation drying and high winds, hurricanes with 300 mph winds, loss of coral reefs, loss of one or more countries to rising oceans, elimination of polar ice, commonplace summer temperatures of 130 degrees F, killing of every fish in the ocean, etc. Likely nothing can convince them they are wrong until it is too late.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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