FYI Seevn part radio show called Myth of the Secular. This about part six.
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2012/10/29/the-myth-of-the-secular-part-6/ <<In 1990 British theologian John Milbank published a five-hundred-page manifesto called Theology and Social Theory: Beyond Secular Reason. The book argued that theology should stop deferring to social theories that are just second-hand theology and declare itself, once again, the queen of the sciences. The book led, in time, to a movement called "Radical Orthodoxy." IDEAS producer David Cayley profiles John Milbank. The English poet William Blake once wrote that humanity must and will have some religion - the only question is which religion. British theologian John Milbank agrees. A purely secular society, in Milbank's view, is simply not viable. The only choice in our time, he says, is between religion and nihilism. But religion for him means something more than just a private moment with God on a Sunday morning - it means a way of life. Milbank belongs to a movement called Radical Orthodoxy. Under its banner, he and a group of like-minded colleagues have argued that modern Western societies have lost touch with authentic Christianity and, as a result, are now living in a spiritually flattened world.>> Harry On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > You've made my point better than I. For when you are studying the ones and > zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact studying the software. The > ones and zeros are not hardware, they're software. > > Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred lifetimes studying neuron > chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular structure of brain cells > and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we will never understand > how Human consciousness works. To understand the human soul, one needs to > understand its creator. Much like studying the software requires an > understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design methods and > techniques, in fact, a understanding of the man himself. > > Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire windows operating system from > the ones and zeros of machine code? Doesn't understanding windows require > understanding of its design at a higher level? not at the machine code > level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his work? Why > would one think he can understand the human soul by studying the individual > ones and zeros of the neurons? > > You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the human soul. > This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid acknowledging the > creator. We try our best to understand ourselves without studying the human > blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much like the fallacies of > Darwinian Evolution. > > > > Jojo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Ellul > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? > > If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows > installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and > understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as ones > and zeros on a memory device. > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Any psychological/psychiatric/philosophical attempt to understand the soul >> is doom to failure from the onset. >> >> Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the >> Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern the >> operation of a PC from your understanding of the >> hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be severely >> incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that controls the >> behavior of the computer. Software controls the hardware. >> >> On the same token, experts in >> Psychology/Psychiatry/Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/etc, can never hope to >> completely understand the Human Soul. It is that intangible entity - the >> soul, that controls the hardware consisting of your brain cells/neurons, >> etc. The Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to understand >> the behavior of man. You need to study the soul, not the brain. The brain >> is simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is the >> mechanism that MS Windows controls. The analogy is apt and accurate. >> >> Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of these >> philosophers/psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. They are at best severely >> incomplete, at worst gravely misleading. >> >> If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote the >> software soul. Study his book - the Bible to have a better understanding of >> human behavior. >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton" <hohlr...@gmail.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >> >> >> >>> I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of >>> consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction, >>> or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir >>> Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who >>> specialized in anesthesia and cancer research. Roger was seeking a >>> model of the brain that did not require computation. Hameroff wanted >>> to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when under. >>> Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the >>> Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the >>> curvature. Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the >>> superposition. >>> >>> Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the >>> structure. He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can >>> influence other neurons. Together they see these electrons as a sea >>> embedded in the geometry of spacetime. >>> >>> Needless to say, they have many critics. :-) >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Patrick > > www.tRacePerfect.com > The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! > The quickest puzzle ever! >
