What is your mission as a christain? What have you done for the world lately other than complain, condemn and wait around for the messiah?
harry On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Harry, it seems that you as well as other people are always concerned with > "imposing" a theocratic rule. No one wants a theocratic rule, including me. > I don't believe any Christian person is attempting to do that, so your > concerns are without merit. > > Christians know better than to impose any monarchy by ourselves. Jesus > Christ will install himself as a Monarch when he comes back without any help > from any of us. Hence, that Monarchy will be established totally of his own > power, not by the power of any Christian movement. It will be a time of > good and just governance - no corruption and injustice that currently > plagues our society.+ > > > Jojo > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Veeder" <hveeder...@gmail.com> > To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? > > >> I agree that secularism is in crisis, but this doesn't mean we must >> return to a theocratic rule which is the danger implied by movements >> like radical orthodoxy. >> Secularism neeeds a more anthropological (mytho-poetic) foundation >> rather than the narrow structures of a particular science or religion. >> >> Harry >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> Seevn part radio show called Myth of the Secular. This about part six. >>> >>> >>> http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2012/10/29/the-myth-of-the-secular-part-6/ >>> >>> <<In 1990 British theologian John Milbank published a >>> five-hundred-page manifesto called Theology and Social Theory: Beyond >>> Secular Reason. The book argued that theology should stop deferring to >>> social theories that are just second-hand theology and declare itself, >>> once again, the queen of the sciences. The book led, in time, to a >>> movement called "Radical Orthodoxy." IDEAS producer David Cayley >>> profiles John Milbank. >>> The English poet William Blake once wrote that humanity must and will >>> have some religion - the only question is which religion. British >>> theologian John Milbank agrees. A purely secular society, in >>> Milbank's view, is simply not viable. The only choice in our time, he >>> says, is between religion and nihilism. But religion for him means >>> something more than just a private moment with God on a Sunday morning >>> - it means a way of life. Milbank belongs to a movement called Radical >>> Orthodoxy. Under its banner, he and a group of like-minded colleagues >>> have argued that modern Western societies have lost touch with >>> authentic Christianity and, as a result, are now living in a >>> spiritually flattened world.>> >>> >>> >>> Harry >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You've made my point better than I. For when you are studying the ones >>>> and >>>> zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact studying the software. >>>> The >>>> ones and zeros are not hardware, they're software. >>>> >>>> Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred lifetimes studying neuron >>>> chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular structure of brain >>>> cells >>>> and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we will never >>>> understand >>>> how Human consciousness works. To understand the human soul, one needs >>>> to >>>> understand its creator. Much like studying the software requires an >>>> understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design methods and >>>> techniques, in fact, a understanding of the man himself. >>>> >>>> Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire windows operating system >>>> from >>>> the ones and zeros of machine code? Doesn't understanding windows >>>> require >>>> understanding of its design at a higher level? not at the machine code >>>> level? possibly by interviewing the designer and studying his work? Why >>>> would one think he can understand the human soul by studying the >>>> individual >>>> ones and zeros of the neurons? >>>> >>>> You see, this issue goes deeper than just discussions about the human >>>> soul. >>>> This issue involves our humanistic prederilection to avoid acknowledging >>>> the >>>> creator. We try our best to understand ourselves without studying the >>>> human >>>> blueprint. Such efforts are always doom to fail, much like the >>>> fallacies of >>>> Darwinian Evolution. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jojo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Ellul >>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >>>> >>>> If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS Windows >>>> installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and >>>> understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as >>>> ones >>>> and zeros on a memory device. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Any psychological/psychiatric/philosophical attempt to understand the >>>>> soul >>>>> is doom to failure from the onset. >>>>> >>>>> Let says you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed >>>>> the >>>>> Pentuim chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern >>>>> the >>>>> operation of a PC from your understanding of the >>>>> hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be >>>>> severely >>>>> incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that controls >>>>> the >>>>> behavior of the computer. Software controls the hardware. >>>>> >>>>> On the same token, experts in >>>>> Psychology/Psychiatry/Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/etc, can never hope >>>>> to >>>>> completely understand the Human Soul. It is that intangible entity - >>>>> the >>>>> soul, that controls the hardware consisting of your brain >>>>> cells/neurons, >>>>> etc. The Software soul is what needs to be understood for us to >>>>> understand >>>>> the behavior of man. You need to study the soul, not the brain. The >>>>> brain >>>>> is simply a mechanism that the soul controls much like the CPU chip is >>>>> the >>>>> mechanism that MS Windows controls. The analogy is apt and accurate. >>>>> >>>>> Hence, one is wasting their time trying to study all the ideas of these >>>>> philosophers/psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. They are at best >>>>> severely >>>>> incomplete, at worst gravely misleading. >>>>> >>>>> If you want to understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote >>>>> the >>>>> software soul. Study his book - the Bible to have a better >>>>> understanding of >>>>> human behavior. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jojo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton" <hohlr...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:15 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best explanation of >>>>>> consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated Objective Reduction, >>>>>> or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the idea separately, Sir >>>>>> Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a physician who >>>>>> specialized in anesthesia and cancer research. Roger was seeking a >>>>>> model of the brain that did not require computation. Hameroff wanted >>>>>> to know how anesthesia worked and where the conscious went when under. >>>>>> Penrose theorizes that spacetime is granular at the size of the >>>>>> Planck length and that quantum superposition is linked to the >>>>>> curvature. Orchestrated Reduction is the collapse of the >>>>>> superposition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hameroff brought in the neuron microtubles which provide the >>>>>> structure. He sees a synchronous oscillation in neural MT can >>>>>> influence other neurons. Together they see these electrons as a sea >>>>>> embedded in the geometry of spacetime. >>>>>> >>>>>> Needless to say, they have many critics. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> www.tRacePerfect.com >>>> The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! >>>> The quickest puzzle ever! >>>> >> >> >
