Can theology and our science ever fully agree
Can our little brains fully understand Gods mind
Can knowledge fully understand the things of the Spirit
Knowledge says The Spirit spoke through a donkey , is God part mule
knowledge says He protects us and gathers us and hides us under his wings ,
is He part chook
knowledge says He organised his own son to be Tortued and killed , is He part
maniac
This I trust , after examineing his words and actions
Jesus said to Phillip ...."when you see me , you see the Father " not long
after these words Jesus let them do what they wanted . They crucified him
Knowledge says , I now have eternal life , His love has bought me
Science is great , I enjoy it . Theology is interesting and helpful, but in the
end I personally had to trust in His love for me . This is the thing that has
given me a Peace that has surpast my understanding
Pete
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:17:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
From: janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Some believe that the soul comes
into being when the human egg is fertilized; aka the moment of conception.
In this way of thinking, with DNA as the software of the soul, the
human DNA has the potential to form a complete person, but at the time of
conception no organ is yet formed to contain the soul.
With current technology, any
cell in the body can be transformed into a omnipotent cell that can produce a
human.
So human spiritual characteristic
is inherent in any DNA present in the human body.
If this is true, do you commit
murder when you cut your hair or trim your finger nails?
If a mouse is given flawed disease
carrying human DNA to simulate human disease or a goat is given human genes to
produce human insulin, have these animals become human with a soul.
If a geneticist copies human
DNA, and puts it into a animal cell, does the animal become human? What parts
of human DNA define the soul?
Please extend your theology into
the domain of genetic manipulation in your quest to define the soul.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You've made my point better than I. For when
you are studying the ones and zeros wherever they may persist, you are in fact
studying the software. The ones and zeros are not hardware, they're
software.
Much like the soul. We can spend a hundred
lifetimes studying neuron chemical reactions, electrical impulses, cellular
structure of brain cells and other psychological theories and mumbo-jumbo; we
will never understand how Human consciousness works. To understand the
human soul, one needs to understand its creator. Much like studying the
software requires an understanding of Microsoft Software Engineer's design
methods and techniques, in fact, a understanding of the man
himself.
Tell me, can you reverse engineer the entire
windows operating system from the ones and zeros of machine code?
Doesn't understanding windows require understanding of its design at a higher
level? not at the machine code level? possibly by interviewing the
designer and studying his work? Why would one think he can understand the
human soul by studying the individual ones and zeros of the
neurons?
You see, this issue goes deeper than just
discussions about the human soul. This issue involves our humanistic
prederilection to avoid acknowledging the creator. We try our best to
understand ourselves without studying the human blueprint. Such efforts
are always doom to fail, much like the fallacies of Darwinian
Evolution.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From:
Patrick
Ellul
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:43
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
If I studied close enough the inside of a computer that has MS
Windows installed on it, without ever switching it on, I can still see and
understand the expected behaviour. The software program is persisted as ones
and zeros on a memory device.
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jojo Jaro <jth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Any psychological/psychiatric/philosophical attempt
to understand the soul is doom to failure from the onset.
Let says
you're a hardware/ASIC/Electronics/IC engineer who designed the Pentuim
chip. Without understanding of the software, can you discern the
operation of a PC from your understanding of the
hardware/Chips/IC/CPU/GPU/etc? At best, you understanding would be
severely incomplete and faulty. Software is the intangible thing that
controls the behavior of the computer. Software controls the
hardware.
On the same token, experts in
Psychology/Psychiatry/Philosophy/Sociology/Humanism/etc, can
never hope to completely understand the Human Soul. It is that
intangible entity - the soul, that controls the hardware consisting of your
brain cells/neurons, etc. The Software soul is what needs to be
understood for us to understand the behavior of man. You need to study
the soul, not the brain. The brain is simply a mechanism that the soul
controls much like the CPU chip is the mechanism that MS Windows controls.
The analogy is apt and accurate.
Hence, one is wasting their
time trying to study all the ideas of these
philosophers/psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. They are at best
severely incomplete, at worst gravely misleading.
If you want to
understand the spiritual soul, go to the one who wrote the software soul.
Study his book - the Bible to have a better understanding of human
behavior.
Jojo
----- Original
Message ----- From: "Terry Blanton" <hohlr...@gmail.com>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31,
2012 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Quantum Soul?
I think Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff have the best
explanation of
consciousness to date. It's called Orchestrated
Objective Reduction,
or Orch-OR. The two actually developed the
idea separately, Sir
Penrose being a physicist and Hameroff being a
physician who
specialized in anesthesia and cancer research.
Roger was seeking a
model of the brain that did not require
computation. Hameroff wanted
to know how anesthesia worked and
where the conscious went when under.
Penrose theorizes that spacetime
is granular at the size of the
Planck length and that quantum
superposition is linked to the
curvature. Orchestrated Reduction
is the collapse of the
superposition.
Hameroff brought in the
neuron microtubles which provide the
structure. He sees a
synchronous oscillation in neural MT can
influence other neurons.
Together they see these electrons as a sea
embedded in the
geometry of spacetime.
Needless to say, they have many critics.
:-)
--
Patrick
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