>From the get go, when you come to think in more simple terms, isn’t seeing
a glowing pipe pumping out six time more energy than is going in a de facto
violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics?




On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was going to write this post, but you beat me to it. Your post is more
> elegant and persuasive than mine would have been.
>
>
> This common flaw in the reason and logic that most people use, this 2nd
> law of thermodynamics hangup, is going to make the experimental revelation
> showing BEC activity in LENR too hard for people to take. They just won’t
> believe their lying eyes.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Kevin O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> O'Malley <kevmol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ***Then as long as those theories can explain this experimental
>>>> result, everything is in good shape.  Why would you say "That's not good"?
>>>>
>>>> This is an experimental finding, not a theory.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is not good because the laws of thermodynamics are probably right and
>>> therefore this experimental result is probably wrong.
>>>
>> ***Sounds a lot like the entire field of LENR.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  Until it is widely replicated most people will assume it is wrong.
>>>
>> ***Let me see -- LENR, 14,700 replications.  Most people still assume
>> it's wrong.  There is the distinct possibility that this BEC experiment
>> could be widely replicated and most people will assume it is wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The problem there is that people seldom try to replicate results which
>>> appear to be wrong on the face of it.
>>>
>> ***What we have here is an experimental piece of the puzzle that shows
>> BECs absorb energy and could account for the 2nd miracle of missing gammas
>> in LENR.  Y E Kim's theory has been given yet another leg up.  First, it
>> was high temperature BECs forming.  Second, it is that BECs absorb energy.
>> BECs do not "disobey" the 2nd law of thermodynamics any more than plasmas
>> do.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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