Regarding the increasing disk space, it¹s not quite as bad as it seems. After 24hrs, TM will be deleting the hourly backups at the same rate that it¹s creating new ones, except for the increase in size of the Entourage DB over that 24 hrs. After a month, the daily backups will be deleted, keeping only weekly backups, so the overall size of the TM backup will only increase by the amount of increase in individual emails, etc in Entourage (in the simplest case where Entourage is the only contributor to disk space).
In other words, TM is not adding the Entourage DB every hour indefinitely, just for the last 24 hrs. However, I agree that there is a problem of the single monolithic file, and the transfer of Entourage DB data on the network every hour although it doesn¹t take more than about 2 mins for my 2GB of changed data (over gigabit ethernet). On 2/02/10 11:54 AM, "Rob Findlay" <[email protected]> wrote: > The single fact that makes me recommend my clients not to use Entourage is > that it keeps all it's data (mail, contacts, calendars) in a single monolithic > data file. > If you get a lot of email this file will quickly grow to multiple gigabytes. > If you use Time Machine, have a 3 Gig Entourage file and you receive 1 email > per hour, in 12 hours you will use 36 Gigs of space on it for instances of the > Entourage database*. The modified date changes on the database and even if it > was a 20k email the whole 3 Gig gets backed up again saturating your network > connection for 20 minutes or so. If your database becomes damaged beyond > reading and you don't have a backup you lose everything, I've seen this happen > many times over the years. Apple Mail by contrast keeps individual emails so > if you have 10 Gigs of email it gets backed up once but subsequent backups > only add the new emails that have come in so they are a tiny fraction of the > original backup in time & space. > > I weaned myself off Entourage a year or so ago after a long time addiction. > Quite happy with the Mail, iCal, Address Book paradigm now. > > > *yes I'm aware there are workarounds but they are workarounds and lots of my > clients just want stuff that works out of the box. > > On 02/02/2010, at 11:18 AM, Crisp, Peter wrote: > >> I wondered how long it would take for someone to suggest this ³solution² >> thanks John for raising this one. Having come from a Windows background, I >> find it hard to move to a program (Mail) that doesn¹t have Contacts and >> Calendar functions integrated into the one app. Mail is just one part of >> daily activity and within Entourage (like MS Outlook) it is a nice integrated >> look and feel, not to mention logical, to have Mail/Calendar/Contacts >> integrated into one app. >> >> Can Mail/iCal/Contacts be managed in the same way? >> >> I am not 100% settled on Entourage and prepared to consider >> Mail/iCal/Contacts but it seems retrograde to use 3 apps for what one app can >> manage albeit with this bug. Maybe Microsoft will arrange a fix for this or >> maybe I¹ll use the noted work-around (a la Time Machine Scheduler) for the >> temporary ³solution² to my problem. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter.. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> John Thompson >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 9:20 AM >> To: WAMUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Entourage bug >> >> A very simple solution - ditch Entourage and use Mail. >> >> >> >> John Thompson >> >> On 02/02/2010, at 7:42 AM, Crisp, Peter wrote: >> >> >> Yes, Entourage is left running all day for the usual email correspondence >> that we all use, so quitting Entourage (and all other Microsoft apps) is not >> really practical the back up starts whenever it likes to and maybe I could >> extend that to daily backups timed to occur at 2AM is that possible? >> >> Any advice on how I can escape the hang that comes when backup overlaps use >> of the Microsoft apps gratefully appreciated. >> >> Thanks for the link Ronni. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter.. >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Severin Crisp >> Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 10:48 PM >> To: WAMUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Entourage bug >> >> Interesting. I have Word and Excel from Office 2008 always running but have >> no problems with hourly Time Machine backups (Leopard). I do not use >> Entourage at all. >> >> Severin Crisp >> >> >> >> On 01/02/2010, at 9:20 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> >> >> From Microsoft support you must quit all Microsoft Applications before >> backing up. >> >> "backing up hourly you must quit quit All Microsoft applications (Entourage, >> Word, Excel, PowerPoint, My Day, Office Reminders, Messenger) and the >> Microsoft Database daemon before backing up. See article Quit all Microsoft >> applications before backing up >> <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2009/04/quit_all_microsoft_applications_befor >> e_backing_up.html> " >> >> < >> <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2009/04/quit_all_microsoft_applications_befor >> e_backing_up.html> >> http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2009/04/quit_all_microsoft_applications_before >> _backing_up.html> >> >> >> >> Also, force shutting down your your MacBook is NOT recommended. >> >> Sent from Ronni's iPhone >> >> >> On 01/02/2010, at 8:42 PM, "Crisp, Peter" < <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I have noticed what I believe is a bug in Entourage (Office 2008). I have a >>> Macbook 13² 1 month old so running Snow Leopard. 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