Guido wrote:
> >I mean, if for every change I make I have to fire up 3 browsers,
> >reboot into windows and fire up another 4 sessions, then call somebody
> >who is mac-enabled and get them to have a look at it in 2 sessions
> >.... is anyone doing this systematically?
>
Bob Schmidt wrote:
> More or less, yes, for my projects, depending on the intended
> audience/purpose of the site. But if only that were all we had to do. Have
> you considered AOL? Do you know someone with an AOL account on both
> platforms? <g>
>
> I don't know how site logs look in .nl but I know over here the largest
> source of users at any site logs I've ever seen is always AOL. So... we
> also take a look on AOL's native browsers whenever possible. 85% of AOL
> users -- possibly as many as 8.5 million people -- use either Win 3.X MSIE
> 3.0 16bit or Win95 MSIE 3.0 32bit. ( 1% use Mac2.7PPC 68K Intercon 1.2
> browser, 7% use Mac 3.0 MSIE 2.0 browser. This is actually slightly less
> than the commonly assumed 10% installed user base of MACs vs. PCs).
Good point, Bob. Even sites that I have that attract a "tech" crowd still
seem to rack up the numbers for AOL browsers.
> As for J/S compatibility, evidently, there are Javascript functionality
> limitations in AOL's windows browsers and it is not supported at
> all in the
> MAC versions.
AOL has provided a site with complete info about their browsers at:
http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> I mentioned we look at a site on an AOL browser "whenever possible." It
> isn't possible to do so if you have installed MSIE 4.0 on your machine. It
> seems AOL Win 95 software is incompatible with IE 4. One has to use a non
> AOL browser to surf the net (nothing wrong with that of course, but who
> knows how many AOL users realize it?) or uninstall IE 4 (which only a fool
> would dare try) or d/l and install the Win 3.0 browser software which
> supposedly doesn't conflict with IE 4.0. This problem should be resolved
> when AOL releases Ver 4 of their software.
Maybe you can't have the dual install on Win95, but on my NT 4 Workstation
I have MSIE 4x and AOL with it's MSIE 3x browser both installed without any
conficts. The AOL version of MSIE 3x does not visually match the standalone
version of MSIE 3x as far as the way it draws screen elements, most notably
form elements, so it is not a substitute for checking rendering in the
standalone MSIE 3x, but it is useful for seeing how the largest percentage
(41% w/16 bit version and 44% with 32 bit version, according to AOL
webmaster site) of AOL users will see my sites.
One other thing, someone in Europe mentioned that there's no AOL in Europe,
so they don't design to it, but I'm curious whether AOL shows up in their
logs anyway, since there are probably plenty of
US/Canada/wherever-else-AOL-is-distributed users viewing European sites.
Jack
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