Hoi, It does make sense to link it to labels for many reasons. * Every word can safely exist in a dictionary, in Wikidata.. Typically names are not included in a dictionary but they could. * Labels are written based on the rules and exceptions of a language. These are different in every language and sometimes even within dialects. The way content is displayed in a dictionary differs from country to country as well. * Concepts are not very stable and the writing a label in a language is not stable either. The one thing that binds them is the label; often a change in a label and a change in the concept go together. * Synonyms differ in label not in concept.
I REALLY wonder why you think you can do this with statements.. In my opinion you can not do that without sacrifice. Thanks, GerardM On 16 September 2016 at 19:41, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, there should be some connection between items and lexemes, but I am > still hazy about details on how exactly this should look like. If someone > could actually make a strawman proposal, that would be great. > > I think the connection should live in the statement space, and not be on > the level of labels, but that is just a hunch. I'd be happy to see > proposals incoming. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hoi, >> Please understand that for every label for a current item in Wikidata >> there should be one lexeme. It would be really helpful when all the new >> lexemes added are associated with labels. You will then be able to show an >> item with the conjugation as is preferred for a language.Currently this is >> not our practise. >> >> When we associate labels with lexemes, we have in fact the missing >> functionality like indicating that a specific lexeme was preferred up to a >> point. It allows for people to understand where "Batavia" was and why you >> will not find "Jakarta" in certain papers. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> >> On 15 September 2016 at 17:40, Jan Berkel <j...@berkel.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> *- How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?* >>> New entity types will be created in Wikidata database, with new ids (ex. >>> L for lexemes). A Wiktionary will have the possibility to include data from >>> Wikidata in their pages (the complete entity or only some chosen >>> statements, as the community decides) >>> >>> >>> The pdf mentions 4 new entity types: Lexeme, Statement, Form, Embedded >>> (?). Curious, was the existing data model not flexible enough? >>> >>> Will these new entities be restricted to the usage in a lexicographical >>> context, i.e. Wiktionary? How will they fit into the existing data model, >>> will there be links from existing Wikidata items to the new entities? (i.e. >>> how will Wikidata benefit from the new data?) >>> >>> *- Will editing wiktionary change?* >>> Yes, changes will happen, but we're working on making editing Wiktionary >>> easier. Soon as we can provide some mockups, we will share them with you >>> for collecting feedbacks. >>> >>> >>> Making contributing to Wiktionary easier will be a huge help. Right now >>> the learning curve is extremely steep, and turning away potential >>> contributors. >>> >>> One thing to keep in mind is that Wiktionary is more than just the >>> content in the page namespace. A big part of what you see is actually >>> generated dynamically, for example transliteration, pronunciation and >>> grammatical forms (conjugations, plurals etc). >>> >>> I imagine in an integrated Wikidata/Wiktionary world "content" and code >>> lives in various places, and we'll have a range of automated processes to >>> copy things back and forth, and to automatically create new entries derived >>> from existing ones? >>> >>> – Jan >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >
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