...and you seem to think one can live by an encyclopedia. I can assure you, Wikipedia is a lot of things, but it is not a way of life. To answer your fear which I read between the lines of what you are saying, in order to create a Wikipedia project you need a basic list of 10,000 articles. The list as I am sure you are aware, is a pretty boring and strangely ordered grouping of fairly dry, non-political subjects. I believe there are very few articles on there that are worth firebombing someone over. [[Michael Jackson]] is on the list, among other notable Americans. Granted, you could get past the 10,000 article startup requirement somehow and then start creating lots of POV articles, but once you do this you will soon be discovered. There is just no way to hide it.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net> > wrote: > > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote: > > > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it > when > >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we > shouldn't > >> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith" > >> will > >> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which is > why > >> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just block > >> wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that of > the > >> Kazakh people. > >> > >> > > Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by what it > > showed them in their feeds. > > > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-secret-psychology-experiment-on-users-emotions.html > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 > > > > They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients > > (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of people. > > You only need a small push in one direction or another to influence a > large > > population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap, vote > > one way or another, or how you see a particular minority, or issue. > > > > > http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/facebooks-icky-psychology-experiment-is-actually-business-as-usual.html > > > > Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score > > jackpot^H^H^Hboot. > > > > I thought Epstein's and Robertson's paper, "The search engine manipulation > effect (SEME) and its possible impact on the outcomes of elections", was > very interesting as well: > > > http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-2016-election-121548 > > http://www.pnas.org/content/112/33/E4512.abstract > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well the chances of me being firebombed while on vacation in the states > are > > probably higher than me being firebombed for editing Wikipedia, but that > > still doesn't mean we need to worry about changing the wiki model. I > guess > > I have lost the thread of your point entirely now. > > > > To be honest, I don't think you had ever gotten hold of it in the first > place. To me, you seem to live in a very sheltered and naive world. > > If we have reports of Wikipedians being tortured in Azerbaijan (and there > seems to have been some truth to these reports, as the sysop named in them > was globally blocked by the WMF a short while later), you should be able > to understand that it is not quite as easy to live the wiki way there as it > is in your country, and that some of the assumptions you have formed based > on your own experiences of the wiki model may not hold in other locales. > >  > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Irada&diff=12421543&oldid=7322889 > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>