no I agree quality is more than just the sources, but without sources quality cannot be achieved
On 29 December 2015 at 20:29, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > You do not get the point or you deliberately distort it. The point is that > quality is not sources. Quality is more than that. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 29 December 2015 at 13:27, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > > > those from Kazakhstan. > > > > > > And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important, > > > > because the person receiving the information must able to make their own > > assessment of the sources reliability with a CC0 license and a > significant > > selection of the information unsourced WikiDatas data lacks the quality, > > integrity we all expect of ourselves when we add content to any of the > > projects. > > > > On 29 December 2015 at 20:15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > So you have determined that people can be manipulated. Good, then what? > > > > > > If this is the tack that you take you will be grounded because there is > > no > > > plan. It is a negative attitude that only stifles. Quality is not only > in > > > sources, sources can be and are manipulations in their own right. Many > > > important subjects are woefully underrepresented. The argument has it > > that > > > it is because of a lack of sources.. > > > > > > Sources are relevant but we only are interested in particular subjects. > > We > > > do not need to look at Kazakhstan to find fault. Amnest (reliable > source) > > > indicates that all USA police forces are not in compliance with > > > international agreements on the use of force. NOW WHAT ?? > > > > > > When quality is the subject, it is important to decide how we > effectively > > > improve quality. VIAF provided Wikidata with a list of issues they > found. > > > Tom checked it out and our quality is better as a result. It means that > > > more information is linked for people who visit a library. When awards > > are > > > known, adding known recipients in Wikidata based on info from multiple > > > Wikipedias improves the quality and in this way many incorrect links > are > > > exposed. > > > > > > When quality of our projects is the subject, decide how we can do a > > better > > > job. When Facebook invites companies to manipulate people, it is why > > > Facebook information is suspect. At most it is a reminder that > > manipulation > > > is an important issue. It does not mean that people cannot add data on > > > their hobby horse. > > > > > > Quality is important but quality is more than sources. When sources are > > > used as an argument that is detrimental to the quality of Wikidata, > then > > in > > > my opinion we have forgotten why Wikipedia was possible in the first > > place. > > > It was not because of sources, it was because of the web of information > > we > > > created, a web that is of a NPOV. > > > > > > Wikidata does not have a NPOV. It represents facts found in many > places. > > As > > > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find > > > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > > > those from Kazakhstan. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On 29 December 2015 at 11:44, Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote: > > > > > > > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it > > > when > > > >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we > > > shouldn't > > > >> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good > Faith" > > > >> will > > > >> always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which > is > > > why > > > >> governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just > > block > > > >> wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that > of > > > the > > > >> Kazakh people. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Facebook showed the other year that it could manipulate people by > what > > it > > > > showed them in their feeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10932534/Facebook-conducted-secret-psychology-experiment-on-users-emotions.html > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930 > > > > > > > > They didn't do this for fun, they did it to show their clients > > > > (advertisers, governments) that they could manipulate millions of > > people. > > > > You only need a small push in one direction or another to influence a > > > large > > > > population. Doesn't matter if the push is to buy a particular soap, > > vote > > > > one way or another, or how you see a particular minority, or issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.networkworld.com/article/2450825/big-data-business-intelligence/facebooks-icky-psychology-experiment-is-actually-business-as-usual.html > > > > > > > > Do it to a naively trusted source and you have a triple word score > > > > jackpot^H^H^Hboot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > GN. > > President Wikimedia Australia > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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