Hey all

Public stoush about the extent to which corporation rules have or have not been 
strictly complied with is NOT appreciated

This list/forum would NOT seem to be the right list to attempt to resolve what 
is essentially internal corporate  members (past, present, future) only matters 

Below signalled Australia Chapters effective disengagement from it's non-member 
friends and support base, via this list (or any other list]  would seem to be a 
sorry outcome of an essentially internal members only stoush  , ,that should 
perhaps have been moderated and continue to be moderated by the 
Chapter/corporation in the way other such lists are moderated 

Good cheer, hoping to get back to some editing on Aboriginal Australian 
articles (especially for North Queensland) in the near future


On Tue, 18/3/14, Steven Zhang <steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list
 To: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" <wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
 Received: Tuesday, 18 March, 2014, 6:22 AM
 We have on numerous occasions explained the
 reasons we reshuffled our committee, which we submitted to
 CAV, the regulator, who accepted these changes both over the
 phone and in writing. If anyone disagrees with the decision,
 as previously mentioned on the old members list and I will
 mention here, contact CAV and dispute their decision.
 Continuing to dispute their decision and subsequent actions
 made by the committee as a result of their decision is not
 productive. It had been noted several times the actions that
 can be taken if the decision of CAV is disputed, yet instead
 of doing so the decision was made by people to continue to
 bring it up on this list and disrupt it. This, combined with
 the numerous complaints we received regarding their conduct,
 is why the decision was made to remove Tony from the list.
 He would have received an automatic unsubscription
 notification via email, it is set up to do so in the list
 settings and was tested yesterday. Given the circumstances
 we felt this was adequate.
 There are now two mailing lists -
 wikimedia-au-members, and wikimedia-au-announce, one a
 discussion list for chapter members, the other for
 announcements. I'll ask for someone independent to take
 on administering this list, then remove myself and Charles
 as list admins. 
 This will be my last post here on this matter,
 as I will be unsubscribing from this list. I recommended
 others consider the same.
 Steven Zhang
 President - Wikimedia Australia
 On 18/03/2014 2:35 am,
 "John Mark Vandenberg" <jay...@gmail.com>
 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:10 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com>
 > On 17 March 2014 14:56, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>
 >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:45 PM, David Gerard
 >>> FWIW, kicking people off the list in such
 circumstances has generally
 >>> been acceptable on Wikimedia lists, with or
 without notice. Though
 >>> notice is nice and adds to transparency.
 >> Really?  You guys have banned regular Wikimedia
 contributions, who are
 >> not banned on any project and have made useful
 contributions to the
 >> chapter, from the mailing list without notice, and
 left them on the
 >> ban list for months without telling anyone?  i.e.
 put their email
 >> address on the mailman 'ban_list'?
 > No, I neither said nor meant that. I meant more
 broadly, moderating or
 > kicking sufficiently disruptive users as needed.
 Well you said "such circumstances", and I have
 described the current
 circumstances in which the ban occurred.
 The organisation has now created a private mailing list with
 and Craig as the list admins, and subscribed all financial
 members to
 Big sigh.
 fwiw, I've now removed myself as list admin of this
 public list.
 John Vandenberg
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