Brain,
I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot.
I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you
consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a
trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense person
alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No matter how
much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business
climbing either.
There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise.
They know what you don't know.
I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect
example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the
time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have
a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. "IF you do that, you know at
minimum, you won't fall to your death." In reality that should have read,
"you MAY not fall to your death.". I forgot to ask what type of tower you
were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept
that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that
can't withstand the force of a fall.
One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it
portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing,
jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has ever been
killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be
done lightly.
I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000
everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it,
so I could climb as an option when needed. But there is significant risk in
doing that. I got the same backlash that you did on this list. The
difference is that I took their advice, and learned more about it, before
taking the risk. At minimum, you should find an experienced person to go
with you for the first climb, and its not likely that that will be free.
Good luck.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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"IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death."
I consider myself very observant. I will also always look for any piece
of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that just because it
still stands does not mean it is safe. I still believe that common sense
if better than an educated idiot.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Brian,
I fully agree with George. Only issue is that when you start young, you
usually don't know what you don't know, and become over confident. So be
cautious about that. I see it way to often. The advantage of people
that start out working for someone else in a specific trade, is they
learn by seeing, and don't have to figure it out blind. For example in
my case, I took a path of self employment instead of going to college. I
was making good money so I didn't think I needed the formal training. It
took 10 years into my business for me to realize what I didn't know, and
how if I had that knowledge I may have been more successful in my
ventures. I am now working hard to correct those weaknesses, but I wish
I did it 10 years ago. My point is not to pass any judgement on your
expertise, just advising that you recognize your weaknesses, so that you
are in the position to address them, apposed to overlook them. As far as
tower climbing, I hired someone to do my first couple installs. And I
made sure that I was there every single moment to watch and learn. It was
invaluable to me, before climbing myself.
The reality is, its near the same cost to take a course as it is to pay
someone for a day to install your gear. So thats one of the reasons the
advise is to take a course, by many. Its sorta like sky diving, its
generally a good idea to have someone experienced around the first time.
If you make a mistake, the penalty can be severe.
But if you member two simple rules, you'll probably be OK. Always have
atleast one other person around, so if you get in trouble they can call
for help. Second, use a Dual Tie-off shock zorber lanyard. One of the
two clamps should be fastened to the tower at all times. When you go to
move one, the other always stays fastened. Then once the first one is
fastened again, you move the second one. And of cource the other end
gets attached to the BACK D-Ring. IF you do that, you know at minimum,
you won't fall to your death.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:21 AM
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mylife)
Brian :)
Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!
When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school
and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are
starting life embracing a business and making a go at it.
So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your
life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing
then.
I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating
in the business world.
It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the
American way.
Congrats again!
George
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much
about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me
trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me.
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