I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go the cheap-o 
route.  By a Yugo, get Yugo quality...especially if you think 50 business 
customers on a single ap is going to work well in an urban area with UBNT.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
[email protected]
http://www.shelbybb.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp

Your Moto bias will cost you.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of finkle dinkle
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp

Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I say that I 
will support residential, they're going to pay business rates and I will hand 
pick the people if they call me..  I dont want headaches

Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for personal 
reasons.

I do want to stick to ubnt brand products but I dont know exactly how many 
NanoBridge M5's I could connect to a single one, so I dont want to have to end 
up with the entire roof covered with antenna's.

The 50mbit I could offer internally with ethernet or vdsl would be great if it 
was symmetrical (vdsl), I want to be able to do this, just trying to figure out 
how much I'd sell 50/50.

Thanks

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Richardson <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> Thought BPL was dead
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
>
> Or BPL.
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to 
>> get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, "Robert West" <robert.w...@just- 
>> micro.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building.  That 
>>> would be the logical route to go I think.
>>>
>>> -Richard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of finkle dinkle
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
>>>
>>> Justin, appreciate your suggestion.  I've been looking around and 
>>> will continue to.
>>>
>>> Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, then 
>>> whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to get set 
>>> up with ethernet or fiber to my office.
>>>
>>> I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover half 
>>> the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a company 
>>> here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting what they deserve.
>>> I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a 
>>> great benefit to the tenants.
>>>
>>> So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to 
>>> actually break even and profit some,  I actually know I could profit 
>>> but I want this to be more of a service to the people who are unable 
>>> to get anything decent out here.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>    Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name.
>>>> I even
>>>> recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums.
>>>  Anyhow,
>>>> welcome.  I would suggest reading through the archives for some 
>>>> good discussions on things.
>>>>
>>>>    Justin
>>>> --
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>>>> http://www.mtin.net/blog
>>>> Wisp Consulting  Tower Climbing  Network Support
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jack Unger <[email protected]>
>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
>>>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700
>>>> To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
>>>>
>>>> My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from 
>>>> Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. 
>>>> I'd recommend something like "Joe Smith" or "Bob Jones".
>>>>
>>>> finkle dinkle wrote:
>>>>> So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of 
>>>>> neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to 
>>>>> bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a 
>>>>> salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + 
>>>>> the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at 
>>>>> least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any laws if I want to sell service ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in 
>>>>> the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont 
>>>>> have to rely on LOS ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how 
>>>>> many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 
>>>>> clients externally with the devices and which devices..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, 
>>>>> undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to 
>>>>> be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential 
>>>>> clients..
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not..
>>>>> how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you 
>>>>> actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume 
>>>>> your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the 
>>>>> datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what 
>>>>> are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, 
>>>>> less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much 
>>>>> should I be selling it ?
>>>>> any
>>>>> recommendations ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs 
>>>>> for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is 
>>>>> my model right or wrong ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> 1993
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