Yep, I will look and test ubnt equipment.. I'm in no rush, just learning legalities and stuff.
I never thought about vdsl from the phone room, that's a great idea.. Ultimately I'd love to bring a gig ptp in there and be able to do everything that I wanted to do in the past and be able to subsidize it by offering some wireless customers heavy bandwidth, I could beat the wimax pricing from towerstream at least. I'm looking to only gain like 10 business clients using wireless. I dont want to overwhelm myself. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: > Well...you need to look at it from another standpoint. A vast majority > of businesses that we are going to be signing up are either 3-6MB/s DSL > or us. You can oversubscribe a 430 AP very well at those rates. And I > would argue that those customers wanting more bandwidth would be better > served with a PtP connection and would definitely pay for it, > considering the cost of the alternative (Fiber,DS3, MetroE, etc.). > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > [email protected] > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:21 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp > > I don't know about 50 - it totally depends on your customers' bandwidth > rates. > > On 5/27/10, Jerry Richardson <[email protected]> wrote: >> if you are not going with moto, then the ubiquity airmax stuff would >> be as good a choice as any. you might get 20 business class subs per >> ap and you should be able to get 3 120deg sectors on the roof. you >> will run into self interference problems at around 20 subs per AP. >> unfortunately you will already be committed to the ubiquity and there >> is no going back. gotta rip it all out and rebuild with canopy or add >> more AP's in another band. >> >> compare that to 50+ subs per canopy AP and none of the self >> interference problems inherent in non-sync'd gear. >> >> ~<Sent mobile>~ >> >> On May 27, 2010, at 5:53 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Rocket w/matching sector >>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: finkle dinkle <[email protected]> >>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:51:37 >>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>> >>> Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine >>> which route with UBNT products would support the most per client >>> >>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go >>>> the cheap-o route. By a Yugo, get Yugo quality...especially if you >>>> think 50 business customers on a single ap is going to work well in >>>> an urban area with UBNT. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck Hogg >>>> Shelby Broadband >>>> 502-722-9292 >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:12 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>> >>>> Your Moto bias will cost you. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>> >>>> Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I > >>>> say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business >>>> rates and I will hand pick the people if they call me.. I dont want > >>>> headaches >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for >>>> personal reasons. >>>> >>>> I do want to stick to ubnt brand products but I dont know exactly >>>> how many NanoBridge M5's I could connect to a single one, so I dont >>>> want to have to end up with the entire roof covered with antenna's. >>>> >>>> The 50mbit I could offer internally with ethernet or vdsl would be >>>> great if it was symmetrical (vdsl), I want to be able to do this, >>>> just trying to figure out how much I'd sell 50/50. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Richardson >>>> <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>>> Thought BPL was dead >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> On Behalf Of RickG >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>> >>>>> Or BPL. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs >>>>>> to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the >>>>>> customer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, "Robert West" <robert.w...@just- >>>>>> micro.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That >>>>>>> would be the logical route to go I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Richard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and > >>>>>>> will continue to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, >>>>>>> then whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to >>>>>>> get set up with ethernet or fiber to my office. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover >>>>>>> half the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a >>>>>>> company here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting >>>>>>> what they deserve. >>>>>>> I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a >>>>>>> great benefit to the tenants. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to >>>>>>> actually break even and profit some, I actually know I could >>>>>>> profit but I want this to be more of a service to the people who >>>>>>> are unable to get anything decent out here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilson <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the > name. >>>>>>>> I even >>>>>>>> recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity > forums. >>>>>>> Anyhow, >>>>>>>> welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some >>>>>>>> good discussions on things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Justin Wilson <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> http://www.mtin.net/blog >>>>>>>> Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Jack Unger <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My first recommendation would be to legally change your name >>>>>>>> from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more >>>>>>>> business- like. >>>>>>>> I'd recommend something like "Joe Smith" or "Bob Jones". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> finkle dinkle wrote: >>>>>>>>> So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of >>>>>>>>> neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted >>>>>>>>> to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm >>>>>>>>> not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at >>>>>>>>> the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the >>>>>>>>> building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. >>>>>>>>> doubt I could. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not >>>>>>>>> in the building but through wireless), are there devices that >>>>>>>>> dont have to rely on LOS ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how >>>>>>>>> many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support >>>>>>>>> 20-50 >>>>>>>>> clients externally with the devices and which devices.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, >>>>>>>>> undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking >>>>>>>>> to be the point guy for other tech operations for these >>>>>>>>> potential clients.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even >>>>>>>>> not.. >>>>>>>>> how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you >>>>>>>>> actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume >>>>>>>>> your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to >>>>>>>>> the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but >>>>>>>>> what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the >>>>>>>>> bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a >>>>>>>>> meg, how much should I be selling it ? >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> recommendations ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 >>>>>>>>> megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per >>>>>>>>> meg... >>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>> my model right or wrong ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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