The below was to James Ducker.

Brett P.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Brett Patterson <> wrote:

> THANK YOU!!! I could not agree with you more. And in the same since, I
> think we agree with each other.
> Congratulations on an argument "well-played." And well-thought!!!!!!!
> --
> Brett P.
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM, James Ducker <>wrote:
>> Hi WSG,
>> This entire argument is getting a bit much. Nothing on the web is in and
>> of itself particularly accessible. Accessibility in HTML is a joke unless
>> you have been taught the right practices. Flash was, is, and will continue
>> to be, primarily, a tool for delivery of rich, interactive media. To that
>> end accessibility in flash is almost a moot point, as you're never going to
>> be able to enable a blind person to watch a video. If the issue is text, you
>> shouldn't be using Flash, and if you are you should be implementing it in a
>> manner that allows for graceful degradation. I know I'm glossing the issue,
>> but bear with me.
>> > Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs,
>> schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to
>> actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be
>> committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep
>> to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want.
>> TAFEs and other para-tertiary institutions do this because that is what
>> they are there to do. Their purpose is to give students the skills necessary
>> to get a job and then self-perpetuate their skills. My experience of
>> universities is that they don't do this at all. Even the less technical I.T.
>> degrees will throw a smorgasbord of programming languages (no one goes to
>> university to write HTML) and development methodologies at you and let you
>> figure out which one works best for you. The result of being a good
>> programmer is that it becomes easy to pick up ActionScript and use it well.
>> Virtually no one writes good ActionScript.
>> I've never taught flash to a class, so I won't speculate on its
>> usefulness. It is in my opinion something that should be taught to I.T.
>> students because of the ubiquity of Flash on the web.
>> I think the argument against Flash in eLearning is flawed. It sounds more
>> like an argument of how Flash is being used in eLearning. The issue doesn't
>> lie with Flash itself, but with how eLearning software producers are using
>> it.
>> > Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because
>> they
>> > can't control it.
>> This is mostly untrue, teachers do love the web. Occasionally you will
>> find a teacher whose methods are out of date, but most commonly the issues
>> lie with course curricula.
>> I have hope that the tide is turning.  Teachers/trainers have experienced
>>> the difficulties in creating and maintaining their content in Flash (just
>>> try changing one image used in multiple Flash files and the difficulties
>>> become clear)
>> Again, this boils down to being a bad Flash developer. It took me a few
>> seconds to think of a way to modify an image in multiple Flash files at once
>> (without interrupting their availability to users either).
>>> the web generation is beginning to pierce/influence decision
>>> making levels, students/employees that love the web push to learn from
>>> formal resources the way they informally learn from the web, plus content
>>> changes in ever decreasing time cycles which leaves little time to build
>>> and
>>> rebuild Flash delivered content.
>> I am a student. Formal resources are about the best damn thing that
>> university has provided me. Unfortunately it's (arguably) not fun or cool to
>> read a programming book cover to cover, so I can see why people complain.
>> Stop using the term 'love the web'. Lots of people love the web, I'm sure,
>> but it doesn't mean they have the first clue what's good for it.
>> The few times I have seen Flash used well and written well it's beautiful.
>> It's amazing. It's like having sunshine flowing through your vains. So, do
>> you blame HTML for every poorly coded website? Do you blame Flash for every
>> bad use of Flash?
>> Anyway, it seems like this entire argument would be better stated as
>> "People who hate Flash because it doesn't behave in a manner identical to
>> HTML, and also because it isn't HTML".
>> - James
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