THANK YOU!!! I could not agree with you more. And in the same since, I think we agree with each other.
Congratulations on an argument "well-played." And well-thought!!!!!!! -- Brett P. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM, James Ducker <james.duc...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi WSG, > > This entire argument is getting a bit much. Nothing on the web is in and of > itself particularly accessible. Accessibility in HTML is a joke unless you > have been taught the right practices. Flash was, is, and will continue to > be, primarily, a tool for delivery of rich, interactive media. To that end > accessibility in flash is almost a moot point, as you're never going to be > able to enable a blind person to watch a video. If the issue is text, you > shouldn't be using Flash, and if you are you should be implementing it in a > manner that allows for graceful degradation. I know I'm glossing the issue, > but bear with me. > > > Plenty of teachers, trainers, training providers, universities, TAFEs, > schools, HR areas, etc are essentially lazy and can't be bothered to > actually understand learning theory. This is why they 'continue to be > committed to linear, push methodologies', it's easy to understand and cheep > to develop. Vendor just give the market what they want. > > TAFEs and other para-tertiary institutions do this because that is what > they are there to do. Their purpose is to give students the skills necessary > to get a job and then self-perpetuate their skills. My experience of > universities is that they don't do this at all. Even the less technical I.T. > degrees will throw a smorgasbord of programming languages (no one goes to > university to write HTML) and development methodologies at you and let you > figure out which one works best for you. The result of being a good > programmer is that it becomes easy to pick up ActionScript and use it well. > Virtually no one writes good ActionScript. > > I've never taught flash to a class, so I won't speculate on its usefulness. > It is in my opinion something that should be taught to I.T. students because > of the ubiquity of Flash on the web. > > I think the argument against Flash in eLearning is flawed. It sounds more > like an argument of how Flash is being used in eLearning. The issue doesn't > lie with Flash itself, but with how eLearning software producers are using > it. > > > Teacher/trainer decision makers don't love the web, possibly because they > > can't control it. > > This is mostly untrue, teachers do love the web. Occasionally you will find > a teacher whose methods are out of date, but most commonly the issues lie > with course curricula. > > I have hope that the tide is turning. Teachers/trainers have experienced >> the difficulties in creating and maintaining their content in Flash (just >> try changing one image used in multiple Flash files and the difficulties >> become clear) > > > Again, this boils down to being a bad Flash developer. It took me a few > seconds to think of a way to modify an image in multiple Flash files at once > (without interrupting their availability to users either). > > >> the web generation is beginning to pierce/influence decision >> making levels, students/employees that love the web push to learn from >> formal resources the way they informally learn from the web, plus content >> changes in ever decreasing time cycles which leaves little time to build >> and >> rebuild Flash delivered content. > > > I am a student. Formal resources are about the best damn thing that > university has provided me. Unfortunately it's (arguably) not fun or cool to > read a programming book cover to cover, so I can see why people complain. > Stop using the term 'love the web'. Lots of people love the web, I'm sure, > but it doesn't mean they have the first clue what's good for it. > > > The few times I have seen Flash used well and written well it's beautiful. > It's amazing. It's like having sunshine flowing through your vains. So, do > you blame HTML for every poorly coded website? Do you blame Flash for every > bad use of Flash? > > Anyway, it seems like this entire argument would be better stated as > "People who hate Flash because it doesn't behave in a manner identical to > HTML, and also because it isn't HTML". > > - James > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************
