Hi Tibor, reading tasks from CUP files is obviously a useful feature and we already have a feature request for it in our bug tracker. Unfortunatly it is not that easy to implement but as soon as I find some free time again I will take a look at it.
Reading tasks over TCP/IP etc. is rather complicated and I would prefer having that functionality in a seperate application. Any strong advantages of having that code inside XCSoar?! Having a seperate application would also be beneficial for other applications like SeeYou, LK8000, ... that don't have the functionality built-in. Turbo Am 23.01.2011 15:35, schrieb Tibor Arpas: > So you guys are thinking about the big solution, not something simple > and easy to implement for this summer :-) > > I found an instance of task setter actually uploading the tasks in CUP > format to the internet every day (before briefing): > http://www.soaringspot.com/fcc_gliding_2009/ > > I reached out to one of the competitors and she says that a small > group of pilots actually took advantage of it. I'm sure that > reliability and rules/protests are a considaration. But when done > semi-officially and parallel to the traditionall way everybody should > be happy. > > The most important takeaway for me is that the SeeYou CUP format was > used as a the task transfer standard. > > So let me try to formulate a couple of feature requests: > 1. ability to browse and read tasks from .CUP files. > > It should be integrated into the task manager - task browser. The task > browser should go through the whole SD Card, look into all of the .CUP > files and display all of the available tasks. > > > 2. ability to read the tasks through TCP/IP - HTTP > > The task browser should have a submenu which would allow user to enter > a url of task repository (the "repository" would be a regular > competition html site). So XCSoar would have to parse the response, > find all URLs/links which end with ".CUP", download them and display > all the task names collected this way. After selection it would then > load the correct task. > > Then the task setter could upload the CUP files manually or just setup > some easy to use cloud file syncing like DropBox or SugarSync to make > the CUP files public directly from his desktop SeeYou. I think it's > the native format for SeeYou Competition so there would be really no > additional step beyond saving the task ... > > I'll talk to Vladimir Foltin, the CD of Pribinacup and EGC Nitra 2011 > to hear his objections to making the CUP files automatically public > like that. > > Cheers, > Tibor > > > > > > > > > > > P.S.: > > To use files from http://www.soaringspot.com/fcc_gliding_2009/ > (provided you use SeeYou Mobile): > - download the CUP file from internet to the SD Card using notebook. > - put the card into PDA and launch seeyou mobile > - go to menu-> settings -> files -> waipoints -> select DAY_X.CUP > - go to menu -> task -> tools -> load task -> select class x/day_x > > A lot of work! > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:26, Chris Rowland > <chris_group_m...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >> From what I've seen task setters already generate the task >> electronically, then transfer it to paper by printing it out. >> >> Using an electronic transfer method from the task setting program could >> be equivalent to a different printer output. >> >> What WBN is to get temporary airspace the same way so there's no >> confusion about what it is and where and when it applies. >> >> By the way, can airspace be defined by time as well as position? >> >> Chris >> >> On 22/01/2011 09:17, Hannu Niemi wrote: >>> Hello Tibor >>> >>> Teh idea is theoretically great, but... >>> >>> As being on the both sides of the issue (both competition pilot and task >>> setter) I'd think that organizers are quite a bit reluctant to "offer" >>> the task for competitors electronically - mainly for the same reason >>> that you had (being afraid of jeopardizing the day because of incorrect >>> data as compared with the paper version of task, giving great >>> opportunity to protests ;)). The organization is often very busy and >>> errors are even more prone to happen than with the pilots (not to talk >>> about changes on troublesome day). >>> >>> Of course, if SOME day we are having paperles competitions, then maybe... ;) >>> >>> hannu >>> >>> On 21.1.2011 23:48, Tibor Arpas wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I finally got to setting up XCSoar and replying some of my flights. >>>>> From the first look the application is amazing! Eg. I liked the task >>>> editor a lot. I noticed some discussion about improving the task >>>> editor even further. That would be cool but I would like to express my >>>> wish. I would like the task editor to become unnecessary :-). Let me >>>> explain how come. >>>> >>>> I almost never create the tasks I fly, I just follow what the >>>> competition task setter prepared for us. Even if I do create a task I >>>> use desktop computer to analyze weather forecast and actual use of >>>> airspace before that. It would feel natural to enter the task to fly >>>> using the same desktop computer and just transfer it to the mobile >>>> device before flight. >>>> >>>> And my biggest problem is not actually laziness to enter the tasks on >>>> the small screen. For me it's this constant little fear that I made a >>>> mistake when entering the task and I will ruin my competition result >>>> because of that. I think there is a bad day like that for at least one >>>> person on every competition... Do you agree that getting the task >>>> into the device electronically, from a reliable source would be a >>>> great feature? >>>> >>>> Of course there is a couple of transfer technologies which would allow >>>> this. Http over wifi, files over bluetooth, IR, SD cards come to >>>> mind.. And lot more other considerations to make it a standard. >>>> >>>> The least amount of work and probably early testing/adoption could >>>> come from simple XCSoar to XCSoar task sharing. One person could enter >>>> the task into the (windows) XCSoar and the rest would simply transfer >>>> it from there. Quickly check if it's correct and fly :-). >>>> >>>> I have a lot more thoughts about this but would like to read some >>>> feedback first. How many XCSoar fellow users do you usually meet at a >>>> competition? (who PDAs/PNAs with WIF?) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tibor >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> The only related thing quick googling revealed: >>>> http://xcsoar.1045713.n5.nabble.com/Is-it-ok-to-define-Task-and-Task-Rules-from-PRF-file-instead-of-TSK-file-td2650648.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! >>>> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better >>>> price-free! >>>> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. 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