You're right, conceptually the download should probably be separate app. My main reason for integrated suggestion is that we're all used to sit down on the briefing and fire up the gliding software in the PDA. So the discoverability and adoption of the whole feature wold be better when it's integrated.
Let me think about other solutions...Something in the lines of launching a web browser from the XCSoar Browse Tasks menu :-)? And refreshing the tasks list after the user returns :-).... Just brainstorming. Tibor On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 15:46, Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Tibor, > > reading tasks from CUP files is obviously a useful feature and we already > have a feature request for it in our bug tracker. Unfortunatly it is not > that easy to implement but as soon as I find some free time again I will > take a look at it. > > Reading tasks over TCP/IP etc. is rather complicated and I would prefer > having that functionality in a seperate application. Any strong advantages > of having that code inside XCSoar?! Having a seperate application would also > be beneficial for other applications like SeeYou, LK8000, ... that don't > have the functionality built-in. > > Turbo > > > Am 23.01.2011 15:35, schrieb Tibor Arpas: >> >> So you guys are thinking about the big solution, not something simple >> and easy to implement for this summer :-) >> >> I found an instance of task setter actually uploading the tasks in CUP >> format to the internet every day (before briefing): >> http://www.soaringspot.com/fcc_gliding_2009/ >> >> I reached out to one of the competitors and she says that a small >> group of pilots actually took advantage of it. I'm sure that >> reliability and rules/protests are a considaration. But when done >> semi-officially and parallel to the traditionall way everybody should >> be happy. >> >> The most important takeaway for me is that the SeeYou CUP format was >> used as a the task transfer standard. >> >> So let me try to formulate a couple of feature requests: >> 1. ability to browse and read tasks from .CUP files. >> >> It should be integrated into the task manager - task browser. The task >> browser should go through the whole SD Card, look into all of the .CUP >> files and display all of the available tasks. >> >> >> 2. ability to read the tasks through TCP/IP - HTTP >> >> The task browser should have a submenu which would allow user to enter >> a url of task repository (the "repository" would be a regular >> competition html site). So XCSoar would have to parse the response, >> find all URLs/links which end with ".CUP", download them and display >> all the task names collected this way. After selection it would then >> load the correct task. >> >> Then the task setter could upload the CUP files manually or just setup >> some easy to use cloud file syncing like DropBox or SugarSync to make >> the CUP files public directly from his desktop SeeYou. I think it's >> the native format for SeeYou Competition so there would be really no >> additional step beyond saving the task ... >> >> I'll talk to Vladimir Foltin, the CD of Pribinacup and EGC Nitra 2011 >> to hear his objections to making the CUP files automatically public >> like that. >> >> Cheers, >> Tibor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S.: >> >> To use files from http://www.soaringspot.com/fcc_gliding_2009/ >> (provided you use SeeYou Mobile): >> - download the CUP file from internet to the SD Card using notebook. >> - put the card into PDA and launch seeyou mobile >> - go to menu-> settings -> files -> waipoints -> select DAY_X.CUP >> - go to menu -> task -> tools -> load task -> select class x/day_x >> >> A lot of work! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:26, Chris Rowland >> <chris_group_m...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: >>> >>> From what I've seen task setters already generate the task >>> electronically, then transfer it to paper by printing it out. >>> >>> Using an electronic transfer method from the task setting program could >>> be equivalent to a different printer output. >>> >>> What WBN is to get temporary airspace the same way so there's no >>> confusion about what it is and where and when it applies. >>> >>> By the way, can airspace be defined by time as well as position? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 22/01/2011 09:17, Hannu Niemi wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Tibor >>>> >>>> Teh idea is theoretically great, but... >>>> >>>> As being on the both sides of the issue (both competition pilot and task >>>> setter) I'd think that organizers are quite a bit reluctant to "offer" >>>> the task for competitors electronically - mainly for the same reason >>>> that you had (being afraid of jeopardizing the day because of incorrect >>>> data as compared with the paper version of task, giving great >>>> opportunity to protests ;)). The organization is often very busy and >>>> errors are even more prone to happen than with the pilots (not to talk >>>> about changes on troublesome day). >>>> >>>> Of course, if SOME day we are having paperles competitions, then >>>> maybe... ;) >>>> >>>> hannu >>>> >>>> On 21.1.2011 23:48, Tibor Arpas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I finally got to setting up XCSoar and replying some of my flights. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the first look the application is amazing! Eg. I liked the task >>>>> >>>>> editor a lot. I noticed some discussion about improving the task >>>>> editor even further. That would be cool but I would like to express my >>>>> wish. I would like the task editor to become unnecessary :-). Let me >>>>> explain how come. >>>>> >>>>> I almost never create the tasks I fly, I just follow what the >>>>> competition task setter prepared for us. Even if I do create a task I >>>>> use desktop computer to analyze weather forecast and actual use of >>>>> airspace before that. It would feel natural to enter the task to fly >>>>> using the same desktop computer and just transfer it to the mobile >>>>> device before flight. >>>>> >>>>> And my biggest problem is not actually laziness to enter the tasks on >>>>> the small screen. For me it's this constant little fear that I made a >>>>> mistake when entering the task and I will ruin my competition result >>>>> because of that. I think there is a bad day like that for at least one >>>>> person on every competition... Do you agree that getting the task >>>>> into the device electronically, from a reliable source would be a >>>>> great feature? >>>>> >>>>> Of course there is a couple of transfer technologies which would allow >>>>> this. Http over wifi, files over bluetooth, IR, SD cards come to >>>>> mind.. And lot more other considerations to make it a standard. >>>>> >>>>> The least amount of work and probably early testing/adoption could >>>>> come from simple XCSoar to XCSoar task sharing. One person could enter >>>>> the task into the (windows) XCSoar and the rest would simply transfer >>>>> it from there. Quickly check if it's correct and fly :-). >>>>> >>>>> I have a lot more thoughts about this but would like to read some >>>>> feedback first. How many XCSoar fellow users do you usually meet at a >>>>> competition? (who PDAs/PNAs with WIF?) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tibor >>>>> >>>>> P.S. >>>>> The only related thing quick googling revealed: >>>>> >>>>> http://xcsoar.1045713.n5.nabble.com/Is-it-ok-to-define-Task-and-Task-Rules-from-PRF-file-instead-of-TSK-file-td2650648.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! >>>>> Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better >>>>> price-free! >>>>> Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. 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