I think that sounds pretty good already. Maybe instead of two NAV modes we would have a NAV mode and an ALT mode. The ALT mode could use the automatic alternate selection, while the NAV mode uses the GoTo target.
Typing it like this however made me realize that this is quite close to what we actually already have with the Abort mode and the GoTo mode. It seems that what we need is actually a way to display the information of multiple modes at the same time. For example while in GoTo mode we could still draw the task on the map but in a less emphasized color scheme. Turbo 2013/1/15 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>: > I thought about Turbos suggestion to do some brainstorming for a "big" > solution. > Here is what I came up with: > > XCS Could have three "Navigation Modes" > > TASK NAV1 NAV2 > > Task would be coupled to the task engine, while NAV1 and NAV2 can each > hold a "target" which can be Navigated to. > This can be an Airport, a Waypoint, An "Air"-Mark (mark Postition with > current Alt, eg. Thermal or Team Code), "Ground"-Mark (mark landable > field as you overfly it) etc. > > One of the Modes is always the active mode. > The active mode is shown in the screen corner (next to the > cruise,climb,finalglide symbol) as > > T or 1 or 2 > > Active mode can be switched by tapping on the Symbol, by gesture or (if > configured) by hardware button. > > The Navigation-Data of the active mode is drawn on the map (line) > and used by default in the Info-Boxes. > > Each Navigation Infobox can be configured to show data of "ACTIVE", > "TASK", "NAV1" or "NAV2" > So if you setup your info-boxes accordingly, you can monitor NAV-Data of > NAV1, NAV2, or even TASK no matter which mode is active. > I think this is very flexible to suit most users' needs. > > > > WAYPOINT DIALOG > The GOTO button will set the point on NAV1 and make NAV1 the active Mode > In the Details add a Row called "SET NAV" with two sqare buttons "1" and > "2", this will not change active mode. > > MAP ELEMENTS DIALOG > same as above > > ALTERNATES DIALOG > same as above plus add option "AUTO ALTERNATE NAV1/2", this would be the > momentary autoselect behaviour > > ABORT and RESUME TASK > are obsolete now. Your task is alway there and selectable via Navigation > Mode. > > > What do you think? I you like the concept I could try to sketch the > Mode-Annunciation and the Buttons in the dialogs, but it will take some > time ;-) > > Greets Henrik > > > > > > > Am 15.01.2013 00:04, schrieb Tobias Bieniek: >> and why do you want to restrict that on Alternates? why not the last >> thermal? why not your teammate via Flarm or teamcode? why not your >> home airport? I think if we do this we should do it right and make it >> flexible to account for these things too. But as I said, I have no >> idea yet how... >> >> Maybe when you click on the "Next Waypoint" infobox a dialog could >> open that let's you choose your target or something like that. Time >> for brain storming :) >> >> Turbo >> >> >> 2013/1/14 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>: >>> Hey all ! >>> >>> I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability. >>> >>> Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport, >>> Waypoint Screens). >>> For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself >>> (from Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) >>> and have the basic infoboxes available for them (Distance, Heading to / >>> Bearing from, Arrival Alt, GR required) >>> >>> Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an eye >>> on one or two specific alternates. >>> The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default until >>> the pilot explicitly selects an alternate. >>> >>> Greets Henrik >>> >>> PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just >>> need an Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp: >>>> Hi Turbo, >>>> >>>> I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling status >>>> on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim. >>>> In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in what >>>> form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or >>>> <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept for >>>> you >>>> ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management). >>>> >>>> Keep me posted, Turbo. >>>> >>>> Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ? >>>> >>>> Cheers Horst >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de] >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48 >>>> An: Horst Rupp >>>> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart >>>> Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? >>>> >>>> I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say that I'm >>>> starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past and my glider >>>> now >>>> has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those devices you have an >>>> airport-, >>>> a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different target. >>>> At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also doing >>>> with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't quite as >>>> easy >>>> in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that... >>>> >>>> I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to do >>>> this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over reading >>>> several pages of text BTW ;) >>>> >>>> Turbo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>: >>>>> Hi Turbo, Robert, >>>>> >>>>> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which >>>>> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements >>>>> sketched by Robert. >>>>> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide >>>>> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on this >>>>> channel. >>>>> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only >>>>> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature. >>>>> >>>>> Horst Rupp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100 >>>>>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a >>>>>> task? >>>>>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au> >>>>>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>> >>>>>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>>> >>>>>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that >>>>>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though what >>>>>> you want is something more like what the LX devices do with their >>>>>> separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Turbo >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>: >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps. >>>>>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have >>>>>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point >>>>>>> without having to abort the task to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable >>>>>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you >>>>>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing on >>>>>>> task. 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