I am also supporting the idea of selectable alternates. if the whole request is
too complicated to implement, at the minimum, just making the alternates
selectable and frozen instead of automatically selectable and keep changing,
will be a great enhancement. As was suggested, the default behavior can remain
the same (so not to have negative impact on anyone) but once the user selects
an alternate it will remain frozen. Perhaps the original request can be broken
down to multiple enhancements to increase the chance that the easiest one will
be implemented in the up coming release?
Thanks,
Ramy
>________________________________
> From: Alan Wilson <a...@ozemail.com.au>
>To: 'Henrik Bieler' <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>
>Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task?
>
>I also support the idea of a selectable alternate 'box' giving ATC Position
>reports data. We just need an "Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom" Infobox.
>
>In fact the discussion sounds similar to a discussion some months back as
>below. This may help in defining the specification for the box.
>
>The previous discussion included:
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au]
>Sent: Sunday, 12 August, 2012 9:39 AM
>To: 'xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net'
>Subject: RE: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements ~ info box
>~ distance and radial from selected airport.
>
>Addition to the suggestion below. Glider pilots in Australia are
>increasingly having to converse with Regular Public Transport aircraft in
>terms that RPT's understand. Several smaller airlines that operate in G
>airspace in Australia are challenging gliders lack of aids particularly SSR.
>These RPT's understand distance and direction/radial from their destinations
>[only] so it would be useful to have a selectable information box that shows
>distance in nautical miles and bearing/radial from RPT destination. In my
>case that is Cooma NSW but it could be Canberra, Temora, Wagga, Dubbo etc.
>[I now understand that the Gliding Federation of Australia has given an
>undertaking that gliders will monitor CTAF radio frequency of RPT airports
>so position information can be given]
>
>So my suggestion is for an information box that readily shows distance in
>nautical miles and radial from selectable airports in the XCSoar data base
>so glider pilots can readily give accurate position information to powered
>aircraft.
>
>Alan Wilson
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Wilson [mailto:a...@ozemail.com.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 08 August, 2012 3:41 PM
>To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] [Xcsoar-devel] ideas for improvements
>
>Not sure of the intent of this subject, but
>
>I have spent too much radio time listening to pilots on long tasks trying to
>pass on their location. Particularly Corowa visitors probably 300 km NW of
>Corowa. Radio chatter takes many minutes in several languages.
>
>My suggestion is for an XCSoar data box giving bearing and distance from a
>selectable waypoint [that is not necessarily the task's next turnpoint.
>viz., Condo 240/36km [from Condoblin]. Then they could agree the reference
>from time to time and then radio their position in the above simple terms
>from that point.
>
>This function looks similar to 'alternate 1' but I have not figured out the
>specifics yet. Or it may be in Team modes?
>
>If there is this functionality in XCSoar somewhere, my apologies but I have
>not found it.
>
>Keep up the good work.
>
>Alan Wilson
>Canberra Australia
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Henrik Bieler [mailto:henrik.bie...@gmx.de]
>Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2013 9:55 AM
>To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a task?
>
>Hey all !
>
>I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability.
>
>Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport,
>Waypoint Screens).
>For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself (from
>Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) and have the basic infoboxes available
>for them (Distance, Heading to / Bearing from, Arrival Alt, GR required)
>
>Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an eye on
>one or two specific alternates.
>The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default until the
>pilot explicitly selects an alternate.
>
>Greets Henrik
>
>PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just need an
>Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox.
>
>
>
>
>Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp:
>> Hi Turbo,
>>
>> I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling status
>> on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim.
>> In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in what
>> form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or
>> <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept for
>you
>> ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management).
>>
>> Keep me posted, Turbo.
>>
>> Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ?
>>
>> Cheers Horst
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de]
>> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48
>> An: Horst Rupp
>> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart
>> Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task?
>>
>> I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say that I'm
>> starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past and my glider
>now
>> has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those devices you have an
>airport-,
>> a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different
>target.
>> At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also
>doing
>> with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't quite as
>easy
>> in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that...
>>
>> I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to do
>> this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over reading
>> several pages of text BTW ;)
>>
>> Turbo
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>:
>>> Hi Turbo, Robert,
>>>
>>> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which
>>> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements
>>> sketched by Robert.
>>> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide
>>> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on this
>>> channel.
>>> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only
>>> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature.
>>>
>>> Horst Rupp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100
>>>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a
>>>> task?
>>>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>
>>>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that
>>>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though what
>>>> you want is something more like what the LX devices do with their
>>>> separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right?
>>>>
>>>> Turbo
>>>>
>>>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps.
>>>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have
>>>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point
>>>>> without having to abort the task to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable
>>>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you
>>>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing on
>>>>> task. I used to do this with my old Cambridge Nav system.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do others think of this idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>
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