I think that would be very confusing - especially when flying in complex airspace. I think multiple views would be nicer (e.g. one screen with task mode, one screen with goto mode). Would keep individual screens a bit more tidy. Effectively this would mean cloning the "standard" view of xcsoar. One clone would show the task, the other one a different target (e.g. goto)
Am 15.01.2013 um 12:07 schrieb Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de>: > I think that sounds pretty good already. Maybe instead of two NAV > modes we would have a NAV mode and an ALT mode. The ALT mode could use > the automatic alternate selection, while the NAV mode uses the GoTo > target. > > Typing it like this however made me realize that this is quite close > to what we actually already have with the Abort mode and the GoTo > mode. > > It seems that what we need is actually a way to display the > information of multiple modes at the same time. For example while in > GoTo mode we could still draw the task on the map but in a less > emphasized color scheme. > > Turbo > > > 2013/1/15 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>: >> I thought about Turbos suggestion to do some brainstorming for a "big" >> solution. >> Here is what I came up with: >> >> XCS Could have three "Navigation Modes" >> >> TASK NAV1 NAV2 >> >> Task would be coupled to the task engine, while NAV1 and NAV2 can each >> hold a "target" which can be Navigated to. >> This can be an Airport, a Waypoint, An "Air"-Mark (mark Postition with >> current Alt, eg. Thermal or Team Code), "Ground"-Mark (mark landable >> field as you overfly it) etc. >> >> One of the Modes is always the active mode. >> The active mode is shown in the screen corner (next to the >> cruise,climb,finalglide symbol) as >> >> T or 1 or 2 >> >> Active mode can be switched by tapping on the Symbol, by gesture or (if >> configured) by hardware button. >> >> The Navigation-Data of the active mode is drawn on the map (line) >> and used by default in the Info-Boxes. >> >> Each Navigation Infobox can be configured to show data of "ACTIVE", >> "TASK", "NAV1" or "NAV2" >> So if you setup your info-boxes accordingly, you can monitor NAV-Data of >> NAV1, NAV2, or even TASK no matter which mode is active. >> I think this is very flexible to suit most users' needs. >> >> >> >> WAYPOINT DIALOG >> The GOTO button will set the point on NAV1 and make NAV1 the active Mode >> In the Details add a Row called "SET NAV" with two sqare buttons "1" and >> "2", this will not change active mode. >> >> MAP ELEMENTS DIALOG >> same as above >> >> ALTERNATES DIALOG >> same as above plus add option "AUTO ALTERNATE NAV1/2", this would be the >> momentary autoselect behaviour >> >> ABORT and RESUME TASK >> are obsolete now. Your task is alway there and selectable via Navigation >> Mode. >> >> >> What do you think? I you like the concept I could try to sketch the >> Mode-Annunciation and the Buttons in the dialogs, but it will take some >> time ;-) >> >> Greets Henrik >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 15.01.2013 00:04, schrieb Tobias Bieniek: >>> and why do you want to restrict that on Alternates? why not the last >>> thermal? why not your teammate via Flarm or teamcode? why not your >>> home airport? I think if we do this we should do it right and make it >>> flexible to account for these things too. But as I said, I have no >>> idea yet how... >>> >>> Maybe when you click on the "Next Waypoint" infobox a dialog could >>> open that let's you choose your target or something like that. Time >>> for brain storming :) >>> >>> Turbo >>> >>> >>> 2013/1/14 Henrik Bieler <henrik.bie...@gmx.de>: >>>> Hey all ! >>>> >>>> I support Horts request to enhance Alternates' capability. >>>> >>>> Personally I would not need a whole new concept (like Task, Airport, >>>> Waypoint Screens). >>>> For me I would be very happy if I could select Alternate1 and 2 myself >>>> (from Waypointlist, Map, etc as mentioned) >>>> and have the basic infoboxes available for them (Distance, Heading to / >>>> Bearing from, Arrival Alt, GR required) >>>> >>>> Most of the time I want to keep navigating on task but still keep an eye >>>> on one or two specific alternates. >>>> The behaviour as it is now (automatic selection) could be default until >>>> the pilot explicitly selects an alternate. >>>> >>>> Greets Henrik >>>> >>>> PS: One could nicely use this for ATC Position reports as well. Just >>>> need an Alternate1-DistanceInNm-BearingFrom Infobox. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 14.01.2013 23:33, schrieb Horst Rupp: >>>>> Hi Turbo, >>>>> >>>>> I am perfectly willing to dive into this - once I am past fledgling status >>>>> on XCSoar programming. Can't wait to see you in Sobernheim. >>>>> In order to prepare a concept , please tell what you need more or in what >>>>> form - apart from the text in ticket #2039 or >>>>> <http://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=578>. What is a concept for >>>>> you >>>>> ? I have written a <use case> (in terms of IT requirement management). >>>>> >>>>> Keep me posted, Turbo. >>>>> >>>>> Robert, do these writing sound reasonable for you ? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers Horst >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: Tobias Bieniek [mailto:tobias.bien...@gmx.de] >>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Januar 2013 22:48 >>>>> An: Horst Rupp >>>>> Cc: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net; Robert Hart >>>>> Betreff: Re: An alternate turn point while running a task? >>>>> >>>>> I've thought about this a bit in the last days, and I have to say that I'm >>>>> starting to get it. I've used the LX5000 a lot in the past and my glider >>>>> now >>>>> has a DX50, which is the predecessor. In those devices you have an >>>>> airport-, >>>>> a waypoint- and task-screen and for each you can define a different >>>>> target. >>>>> At some point I realized that this is pretty much what LK8000 is also >>>>> doing >>>>> with their MultiTarget system. I have to admit that this isn't quite as >>>>> easy >>>>> in XCSoar yet, but I certainly see the benefits of something like that... >>>>> >>>>> I'd be glad if somebody would come up with a proper concept on how to do >>>>> this in XCSoar. I would very much prefer simple sketches over reading >>>>> several pages of text BTW ;) >>>>> >>>>> Turbo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/1/14 Horst Rupp <ho...@rupp-family.de>: >>>>>> Hi Turbo, Robert, >>>>>> >>>>>> I strongly support this idea. Please also see ticket # 2039, which >>>>>> formulates an even wider demand and encompasses the requirements >>>>>> sketched by Robert. >>>>>> I was reprimanded :-) that the ticket list is no forum for such wide >>>>>> discussions. So, I am looking forward to have that issue alive on this >>>>>> channel. >>>>>> The current concept of how XCSoar deals with alternates is of only >>>>>> very limited use and should be developed into more useful feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Horst Rupp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:14:10 +0100 >>>>>>> From: Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] An alternate turn point while running a >>>>>>> task? >>>>>>> To: Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au> >>>>>>> Cc: XCSoar Users <xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <cabeoetnk7oltfmbxzm-g+bedpqglprepqbzbup_lubdeyca...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can always "GoTo" another waypoint and once you don't need that >>>>>>> anymore you can "Resume Task" from the Nav menu. I guess though what >>>>>>> you want is something more like what the LX devices do with their >>>>>>> separate Airport, Waypoint and Task modes, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Turbo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/1/8 Robert Hart <ha...@interweft.com.au>: >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was discussing this with a few pilots here at the multi-class comps. >>>>>>>> The idea is that it would be useful in some circumstances to have >>>>>>>> XCSoar be able to provide information to some non task turn point >>>>>>>> without having to abort the task to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This would be particularly useful when having to cross unlandable >>>>>>>> terrain as XCSoar could provide information on a point behind you >>>>>>>> (perhaps a dropped point on a landable paddock) whilst continuing on >>>>>>>> task. 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