There is no self, there are no others said Buddha. Maintain that wisdom and help others; this is the middle way between extremes of existance and non-existance... The issue isn't working out your own salvation, but what to do with it. The very fact that you understand this quote means you have an advantage over most of the world. Not all people have the same karma, the same mind, so the line above does not have meaning for everyone. Being an interpretor for others through sharing of experience ripens the karma necessary for others to understand. If the point was to worry only about your own individual freedom, no one would ever share the experience, but the experience was shared and passed down for thousands of years. Worry about others salvation as they are not separate from you, but a part of you. If everything is an illusion then nhialism is what one becomes. If self and others are real, then true existance is what one becomes. To offer compassion and help others is only an extreme of true existance if the one helping others believes in a real self, real help, and real others. But if one offers compassion without falling into the extreme of existance, then it is the middle way.
--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter...@...> wrote: > > > > > "Work out your *own* salvation with diligence.", said the Buddha. > > --ED > > > --- In [email protected], "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote: > > > > or build a boat when one is spontaneously needed. or feed others when > they hunger, help find shelter for those who need rest. When self is > individual then it's all about individual needs. Thinking of your self > is ok but not other selves. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how about '...eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're tired, > wake when you're rested and build a boat when you're asked.'? > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > --- In [email protected], "maitreya003" <joultimo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Just keep sitting, and eat when you're hungry, sleep when you're > tired, wake when you're rested and deal with whatever comes up in a > spontaneous manner without any goals or valutions in mind." > > > > > > > > And if someone asks you to design and build a boat, can you just > sit and not set any goals and valuations, or must you put thought into > the design and effort into the build, even though it's an illusion? > > > > > > > > Apparently you place valuation on sitting, eating when hungry and > sleeping when tired, etc, Because that is the way, the only way to you. > A set of illusory standards within the illusion. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
