I also sense that fear of death is also fear of life. I suppose that when one
lives in the present moment, which I can assure you is pretty difficult to do,
A lot of the fears seem to lessen more and more. On the other way round, when
I forget to be fully present in my body and mind in the present moment is when
all my troubles start all over again. I know that my fear of death is related
very much so to my fear of life. Only by living in the present moment I can
embrace what it comes and as it comes.
--- On Mon, 30/8/10, DP <dave.dplat...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: DP <dave.dplat...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Death
Date: Monday, 30 August, 2010, 15:50
Namaste, and thank you.
I will think long and hard about your words (I've been doing zazen for awhile
now, but not without difficulty).
I do find some of the comments (and I apologize to anyone here) a little
condescending, like "you haven't figured that out yet?" On another site, I just
got cryptic comments like "fear of death is fear of life," which didn't really
help at all.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "salik888" <novelid...@...> wrote:
> I think there are two things you can do. And I want to take this time to tell
> you not to become discouraged by posters that offer obvious solutions and
> realizations that are supposedy inherent to their way of living and thinking.
> I can tell that it is not useful. You are not going to be able to think
> yourself out of this one though.
> Here is what I have found. Anyone who is telling you that they are not afraid
> of death, you have to assume that they are lying -- lying to themselves and
> others. Even if they are wandering around not thinking about it, they are
> avoiding thinking about about it, or sensing it.
> In your case, you have expressed a compulsive disorder with death. I would do
> the following.
> Bill Smart and others here can reaffirm of give you explanation of Zazen, to
> bring Shikan Taza into your life. I would begin a good practice of Zazen and
> stick to it. Put great emphasis (still thinking, thus fearing) observing your
> thoughts, non grasping, just letting them go. You can do this with your Zazen.
> Having said that, the practical matter of things is that you have to walk
> around in your life and deal with this throughout your day. I would expose
> yourself to the work of Albert Ellis, the cognitive psychologist who started
> REBT Therapy. There has been some analysis written on his work and Zen, since
> he is basically a sort of ego as function sort of Philosopher. He doesn't
> believe in enlightenment that I know of, but what he does offer is thinking
> as function and the refuting of obsessional thinking. These two together may
> be helpful. I have seen Albert Ellis's Therapy help many people. It is very
> practical and very useful.
> Of course I always recommend reading only within of context of learning, the
> whole idea of Sufis "learning how to learn, knowing how to know, etc . . ."
> To the Sufi way of thinking, fear of death operates out of the lower self,
> the commanding self, that has been conditioned and enhanced by culture and
> the false self (ego). Operating out of the realm can be useful if your
> intention is to transcend it, in fact, the fear of death can be more of
> blessing than someone who mindlessly goes around says, "well when I'm dead I
> won't know it." Oftentimes they are just ameliorating themselves with their
> own mind candy.
> Keep this in mind, all human beings fear death in some proportion, you are
> just tuning into it. However, it is possible to use this on the so called
> Sometimes with people Yahoo Groups of the so called religious nature you get
> posters who are really just posting for themselves, transmitting and
> projecting something they want to feel or sense, and want others to feed back
> to them. So, don't pay much attention to them.
> Having said that, it really is about Zazen, and feeling a certain intention
> and gratitude toward working with your obsession, for it can help you in the
> end. No pun intended . . .
> K among the deathers
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "DP" <dave.dplatt72@> wrote:
> > ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my fear of
> > death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I liked it,
> > but I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance - it's
> > too much for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...
> > How do I confront the reality of death with the aim towards lessening my
> > fear of this?