Kirk wrote:

> I think it is safe to say that Zen is a path that addresses the
> experiential with zazen as its central methodology -- a sort of
undoing of yourself,
> the conditioned cultural and experiential part of your personality
that
> continuously reacts and feeds your ego.
>
> Think of it this way, while you are reading this you are already
reacting
> inside in an automatic way. Zen seeks to loosen the bounds of your
false
> self and return you to your natural state. Part of the reason why Zen
> honors spontaneity, clarity, nature and a sense of the primordial
untouched
> mother that feeds us all.



Greetings!

I resonate strongly with the above statements on zen. Does anyone hold a
different perspective?

--ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, novelid...@... wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> In my estimation there really is no way to assert what Zen is, whether
you
> are restricting it to zazen; or opening it to a wider religious and
> cultural discussion. The best we can do is just admit we fall short
and perhaps
> point to our own experience, to presence. Of course we could ask
ourselves
> who is being present?
>
> So repeating zazen zazen zazen with platitudes to support it, or
explaining
> big Zen and little zen, does do much but tell us something about who
is
> doing the talking and perhaps who is doing the listening here.
>
> I think it is safe to say that Zen is a path that addresses the
> experiential with zazen as its central methodology -- a sort of
undoing of yourself,
> the conditioned cultural and experiential part of your personality
that
> continuously reacts and feeds your ego.
>
> Think of it this way, while you are reading this you are already
reacting
> inside in an automatic way. Zen seeks to loosen the bounds of your
false
> self and return you to your natural state. Part of the reason why Zen
> honors spontaneity, clarity, nature and a sense of the primordial
untouched
> mother that feeds us all.
>
> In this respect Zen shares a great deal in common with Sufism,
although the
> methods might be a great deal different.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Kirk



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