Whether these opinions/conceptions are illusory or otherwise, they are all mere opinions/conceptions that furnish a framework for some to 'understand' the teacher-student relation; but one can never be certain one is not fooling oneself. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote: > Hi All, In my limited experience, some teachers are like a tour guide, he tells us where to go or what to do. Some teachers are like a mirror, it reflects the true we, so that we get to know ourselves, to wake us up. Depending on whether we are the at the stage of seeking inwardly or outwardly, both type of teachers do have merits. It all depends on the "I' at that moment in life. This momentary condition are what we called karmic conditions. That's life. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com> http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org> On 10/29/2010 11:56 AM, ED wrote: On the path or off the path, with a teacher (zen, psychological or spiritual) or without a teacher, one could be fooling oneself about something or other, from one perspective or another. This is a universal given in the game of life. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com </group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=8uo-ET8lo1HhwhEMgq7nYgt6uMd-zAe0x9R1jUVCSH\ hEug1t9U4O9vA9JNhBbiuR5dhuao3pbrhrWwlCbXcK3dk16I68Aw> , ChrisAustinLane <ch...@...> </group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=J0gJum0sFWXwFqvFb4w2TwiNhr4goXM2sOUPdAqG-b\ FE8XW5oBbn7HQYaKqrFVLczIXCfQ> wrote: > At various places on the path, there is a common tendency to fool yourself. A strong relationship with a teacher makes this fooling yourself much harder. > > I had to move away from my teacher two years ago and haven't replaced her, and I can tell I am missing the interaction of someone who knows me well but is not me. > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > On Oct 28, 2010, at 23:24, Siska siska_...@... wrote: > > > Agree, a teacher would be nice to have. From where I stand, it is still not a "must have", but then again, I'm open to the difference, if perhaps this is the way it is in Zen.