That is not the way it is. It is too complicated to explain, but the oriental 
way is different from occidental. The former is synthetic, while the latter 
analytical. So you need subjects, objects, predicates, adverbials and other 
nonsense to try to complete your analysis. In other words, the westerners are 
more discriminating (in general).

--- On Fri, 12/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 9:29 AM


I think the reason is that Zen Masters use the Tantric principle that one 
should behave in ways as if one already possesses that which one aspires to 
attain; in this case, to possess a non-dualistic mind that does not 
discriminate between subject and object.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote:
> ED,
> Many oriental sentences are without subjects or objects. Bill is completely 
> adjusted to Thailand, and the zen way. They are very grammatical here.
> Anthony
> Bill,
> Nice succinct answer. 
> And, question:  Your zen-like statement in ungrammatical, without subject or 
> object. Is this a zen tradition of speaking, with a view to training the mind 
> out of its customary dualistic mode of experiencing reality?
> Thank you, ED

> Mayka and Ed,
> Or perhaps Bill! would say: 'No effort, no judgment, no grasping, no
> pushing-away, no concepts - Just THIS!
> ...Bill!

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