Bill,
 
As I already said, shikantaza denotes 'only sit'. The rest are derived 
meanings. For you the derivative of shikantaza is clear mind. For a taleban 
member, it can result in a comprehensive murder plan.
 
Anthony

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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 12:25 PM


  



Anthony,

No, the state referred to as ‘shikantaza’ only denotes clear mind. It cannot 
include dreams or plans or thinking of any kind. That is not shikantaza. That 
is dreaming or planning or thinking.

…Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 4:21 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

ED,

Refers to zazen without any specific focus or technique. So JM's Heart Chan is 
different, as he cultivates 'chi', instead of no technique. I think this is the 
key point that zazen has no focus or technique, while sitting with other 
schools involves manipulating chi, or concentration on an object.

Shikantaza is literally 'just sit'. It can result in varied directions, such as 
clear mind or stillness, as well as sex dreams or comprehensive murder plans.

Anthony

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 10:12 PM


Definitions of shikantaza on the Web: 
• Shikantaza|`üŠÇ`Å�¿ is a Japanese term for zazen introduced by Rujing and 
associated most with the Soto school of Zen Buddhism, but which also is "the 
base of all Zen disciplines."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikantaza 
• (Japanese): "just sitting"; a state of attention that is free from thoughts, 
directed to no object, and attached to no particular content.
www.kwanumzen.com/misc/glossary.html 
• �gJust sitting.�h Refers to zazen without any specific focus or technique and 
is characterized by intense non-dual awareness.
greatwave.org/glossary-of-zen-terms/

It appears that 'shikantaza' applies to both the zazen practice of striving to 
do 'just sitting' with a clear mind; or it signifies the goal itself of abiding 
in a content-free non-dual awareness.
--ED

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> I was definitely told the Japanese word 'shikantaza' meant 'clear mind'. See 
> the quotes attributed to Rujing and Dogen Zenji in the definition in my post 
> below. Perhaps it is an extreme interpretation of 'just sit' which means you 
> are just sitting and not thinking or doing anything else.


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