Deborah, I hope my previous post addressed this question for you : )
Mike ________________________________ From: Deborah Mingins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 1:07:42 Subject: Re: [Zen] Change Mike- Could you please define realization and enlightenment in this tradition. Thanks...Deborah [email protected] ________________________________ From: mike brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 5:16:40 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Change ED, Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation. Mike ________________________________ From: ED <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57 Subject: Re: [Zen] Change I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened. --ED --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential > for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral >development, > > concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for > deepening > > the initial breakthrough. > > Mike
