He's in Thailand, so I think he's asleep now - I'm sure he'll write more tomorrow.
He received his Zen training in the 60s or 70s from Maezumi in California; he seems to know a cloud from the sky. I'm not sure why you two have clashed gears so much over words. Where is the Dark Stone Temple? On Sunday, January 22, 2012, rewrisk <[email protected]> wrote: > send fail....... > Actually if he is as good as you seem to think then he is trying to get his head around me. If so then I wish him well of it. > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@...> wrote: >> >> I think I must have scared him off. >> I can be abrupt. >> It's been twenty five years since I first entered the Dark Stone >> Temple. >> The rampant ignorance ruling this world terrifies me. >> >> --- In [email protected], ChrisAustinLane <chris@> wrote: >> > >> > This interchange is most amusing. >> > >> > I suspect the two senior practitioners are in violent agreement. >> > >> > Bill is no philosopher, tho he manifests a love of wisdom. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Chris Austin-Lane >> > Sent from a cell phone >> > >> > On Jan 22, 2012, at 19:30, "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: >> > >> > > Rubbish! >> > > The Abyss may be dark but it is hardly empty so do not speak to me of what you do not know phillosopher. >> > > Reality is entirely ordered to the unfettered mind. >> > > Chaos is a failure to grasp reality. >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Rewrisk, >> > >> >> > >> The abyss is the absence of rationality - chaos. And yes you must jump into it (the unknown and unknowable) to rid yourself of your attachments. >> > >> >> > >> But don't to it so as to know. The abyss does not contain knowledge or the access to knowledge or illumination of some kind. The abyss is completely dark and empty. >> > >> >> > >> ...Bill! >> > >> >> > >> --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> No? >> > >>> You are quite wrong. >> > >>> They are all true! >> > >>> >> > >>> The abyss is real and you must 'jump' into it. >> > >>> If you would know? >> > >>> >> > >>> --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Anthony, >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Zen stories, perhaps even more than most, are symbolic - many are allegories and should not be taken literally. I say zen stories use this device more than most because much of what zen is about cannot be totally expressed with words - espcially written words. Face-to-face dialog is better, but as you know some zen masters tried to express and communicate their experience of Buddha Nature without words - with just sounds or even just actions. At least that's my opinion. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> The 'Jumping into the Abyss' phrase/allegory was taken from what you've called the physical world. When we stand at the edge of an abyss and contemplate jumping we will probably be terrified. It would take an act of either extreme desperation or faith to jump. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> That is the same kind of desparation or faith that is needed to sever all attachements to the illusion of 'self' and rationality and throw yourself into the 'abyss' - Buddha Nature. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> ...Bill! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Bill, >> > >>>>> Â >> > >>>>> Quote:Â in zen stories as 'leaping into the abyss' >> > >>>>> Â >> > >>>>> Since the physical world is part of the reality, can you do that physically? >> > >>>>> Â >> > >>>>> Anthony >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> ________________________________ >> > >>>>> From: Bill! <BillSmart@> >> > >>>>> To: [email protected] >> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012, 10:19 >> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] When you began learning about buddhism, How did your friends & family react? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Â >> > >>>>> Siska, >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Yes, the concept of cause-and-effect is illusory. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> The belief in cause-and-effect is an attempt by your discriminating mind to 'understand' reality, to 'make sense'of experience which is fundamentally chaotic. It is a process of breaking up wholistic experience (Just THIS!) into pieces, and then to categorize and even directly associating some pieces with others by assigning a depen -- Thanks, --Chris [email protected] +1-301-270-6524
