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Now I know you're taking the piss! Mike ________________________________ From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 23:40 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" I enjoy your annotations - carry on. As you wrote so eloquently, many paths, same path. But i laughed aloud at the exchange on Zen forum vs Buddhism forum vs gruel forum. On Sep 2, 2012 2:38 PM, "mike brown" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Chris, > > >Guess we could all just shout "Kwatz!" at each other from now on then... > > >Mike > > > >________________________________ > From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 21:52 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > >This day it is the annotated Zen Forum. >On Sep 2, 2012 4:05 AM, "mike brown" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >>Bill!, >> >> >> >>Isn't it the Zen BuddhistForum, at least by implication? Isn't it fair to >>talk about comparisons? >> >> >>>ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. >> >> >>But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath. >>When you find your mind has become calm become mindful of how the breath (or >>any bodily sensations) arises and passes. How it is that there is no 'you' >>doing the breathing - rather the universe is breathing 'you'. Note how even >>pleasant sensations eventually pass and more unpleasant, or neutral, >>sensations take their place. With such mindfulness you may find you gain some >>insight into the 3 Characteristics of existence: impermanence, non-self, and >>the unsatisfactoriness of phenomena. With diligence and patience, you may >>become liberated from suffering. >> >> >> >>Not exactly pithy, I admit. And Zen is certainly direct in pointing to our >>True Nature. But "wash your bowls", "just sit" and "Just This!" is also not >>'it' either. So if we're going to have instructions/guides, then there is >>definitely a place for more descriptive ones (even tho the endgame will >>always be that they are ultimately dropped). The method is NOT the meditation. >> >> >> >> >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Bill! <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 11:33 >>Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" >> >> >> >>Mike, Point taken, but this is the Zen Forum, not the Theravada Forum or the >>Here-Have-Some-More-Rice-Gruel Forum. >> >>ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bill!, >>> >>> A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions were >>> given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a long time >>> and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how useful that >>> instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street asking about the >>> search for truth or something similar. Joshu's instruction is just that - >>> an instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's skilful means (upaya) is so >>> useful as a teaching method. On the one side we can have the direct >>> pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we can have Therevada >>> Buddhism with it's more step by step instructions, such as following the >>> Noble eightfold Path. >>> >>> The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different kinds >>> of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will work >>> for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't >>> going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say >>> that might help him? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48 >>> Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" >>> >>> >>> Â >>> ED, >>> >>> Mind if Joshu and I jump in? >>> >>> "WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu) >>> >>> --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Edgar, >>> > >>> > And how is this magic trick accomplished? >>> > >>> > --ED >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > ED, >>> > > >>> > > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! >>> > > >>> > > Edgar >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > Edgar, >>> > > > >>> > > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice >>> > > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind? >>> > > > >>> > > > --ED >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > Joe and Merle, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which >>> > you >>> > > > imagine you are incomplete.... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential >>> > aspect >>> > > > of realization... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Wham! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Edgar >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
