Mike, That is clear and is what I thought you meant. I just wanted to make sure everyone else also knew the difference between 'Self' and 'self'. Thanks.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > Self, Buddha Nature, Ground of Being, Awareness etc etc. are really all > convenient labels for 'mind and body dropped away'. This is our True Self, > Original Face. Small s self is our ordinary mind - the one that thinks 'Mike' > is real and separate from the world (dualistic). The Self that I refer to is > the no-self (non-dualistic) and is unborn and so doesn't come into existence > (always exists - just as the sun is still there when obscured by clouds). > Hope that's.. clear? > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012, 3:21 > Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > Mike, > > The 'self' does not always exist. > > I have experienced this myself and know many, many others that have also. In > fact this dissolving of 'self' is a pre-requisite (from my experience) to > uncovering Buddha Nature. > > Maybe in the post below when you used the term 'Self' in the last line you > meant 'Buddha Nature'? Or maybe you meant 'self' always returns? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > Very good! You must have given that a lot of thought ; ) > > > > >Self can be found nowhere else > > > > Of course. Self/Buddha Nature/Awareness is unborn (and therefore never > > dies) and so is ever present regardless of what we are thinking/doing. But > > suffering arises when we think there is an independent 'I' having those > > thoughts. That we have this Realisation is the difference. How this > > Realisation manifests is unimportant. For some it will be sudden for others > > gradual. But you're correct that Self alwaysis.à> > > > Mke > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Kristopher Grey <kris@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 15:42 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > à> > On 9/2/2012 7:05 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath. > > > > A tri-ku for you: > > > > With each rise and fall > > The breath is grasped and released > > Each, a birth and death > > > > Immersed in thinking > > Self can be found nowhere else > > Always lost in thought > > > > Mind, a stream of thought > > Following, or flowing by > > The way, like water > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
