Bill!, Self, Buddha Nature, Ground of Being, Awareness etc etc. are really all convenient labels for 'mind and body dropped away'. This is our True Self, Original Face. Small s self is our ordinary mind - the one that thinks 'Mike' is real and separate from the world (dualistic). The Self that I refer to is the no-self (non-dualistic) and is unborn and so doesn't come into existence (always exists - just as the sun is still there when obscured by clouds). Hope that's.. clear?
Mike ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012, 3:21 Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" Mike, The 'self' does not always exist. I have experienced this myself and know many, many others that have also. In fact this dissolving of 'self' is a pre-requisite (from my experience) to uncovering Buddha Nature. Maybe in the post below when you used the term 'Self' in the last line you meant 'Buddha Nature'? Or maybe you meant 'self' always returns? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Kris, > > Very good! You must have given that a lot of thought ; ) > > >Self can be found nowhere else > > Of course. Self/Buddha Nature/Awareness is unborn (and therefore never dies) > and so is ever present regardless of what we are thinking/doing. But > suffering arises when we think there is an independent 'I' having those > thoughts. That we have this Realisation is the difference. How this > Realisation manifests is unimportant. For some it will be sudden for others > gradual. But you're correct that Self alwaysis. > > Mke > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kristopher Grey <kris@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 15:42 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > On 9/2/2012 7:05 AM, mike brown wrote: > > But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath. > > A tri-ku for you: > > With each rise and fall > The breath is grasped and released > Each, a birth and death > > Immersed in thinking > Self can be found nowhere else > Always lost in thought > > Mind, a stream of thought > Following, or flowing by > The way, like water >
