Bill!, How about, "Just Kwatz!"?
Gu... Mike ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012, 3:32 Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" Be Careful! Remember Gutei's Finger! KATZ! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > Guess we could all just shout "Kwatz!" at each other from now on then... > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 21:52 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > >  > This day it is the annotated Zen Forum. > On Sep 2, 2012 4:05 AM, "mike brown" <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > > > > > > >Bill!, > > > > > > > >Isn't it the Zen BuddhistForum, at least by implication? Isn't it fair to > >talk about comparisons? > > > > > >>ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. > > > > > >But if you do find yourself thinking, just come back gently to the breath. > >When you find your mind has become calm become mindful of how the breath (or > >any bodily sensations) arises and passes. How it is that there is no 'you' > >doing the breathing - rather the universe is breathing 'you'. Note how even > >pleasant sensations eventually pass and more unpleasant, or neutral, > >sensations take their place. With such mindfulness you may find you gain > >some insight into the 3 Characteristics of existence: impermanence, > >non-self, and the unsatisfactoriness of phenomena. With diligence and > >patience, you may become liberated from suffering. > > > > > > > >Not exactly pithy, I admit. And Zen is certainly direct in pointing to our > >True Nature. But "wash your bowls", "just sit" and "Just This!" is also not > >'it' either. So if we're going to have instructions/guides, then there is > >definitely a place for more descriptive ones (even tho the endgame will > >always be that they are ultimately dropped). The method is NOT the > >meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 11:33 > >Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > > >Mike, Point taken, but this is the Zen Forum, not the Theravada Forum or > >the Here-Have-Some-More-Rice-Gruel Forum. > > > >ED, Just sit. Don't think. Just sit. > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > >> > >> Bill!, > >> > >> A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions > >> were given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a > >> long time and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how > >> useful that instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street > >> asking about the search for truth or something similar. Joshu's > >> instruction is just that - an instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's > >> skilful means (upaya) is so useful as a teaching method. On the one side > >> we can have the direct pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we > >> can have Therevada Buddhism with it's more step by step instructions, such > >> as following the Noble eightfold Path. > >> > >> The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different kinds > >> of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method will > >> work for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just > >> isn't going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you > >> say that might help him? > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48 > >> Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > >> > >> > >>  > >> ED, > >> > >> Mind if Joshu and I jump in? > >> > >> "WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu) > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Edgar, > >> > > >> > And how is this magic trick accomplished? > >> > > >> > --ED > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > ED, > >> > > > >> > > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! > >> > > > >> > > Edgar > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Edgar, > >> > > > > >> > > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice > >> > > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind? > >> > > > > >> > > > --ED > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > Joe and Merle, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which > >> > you > >> > > > imagine you are incomplete.... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential > >> > aspect > >> > > > of realization... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Wham! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Edgar > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
