I pretty much agree with everything you said, Gary. And, I want to thank
you for serving in the Armed Forces.

Paul O


On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:17:42 -0500 Gary Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Wait a minute!!!!  Capt Moroni lived under the Mosaic Law. Surely 
> that
> command is what would apply to him. Besides, just because Christ
> fulfilled the Mosaic Law, does not mean he totally supplanted it. 
> There
> are many things in the Law of Moses we still abide by: Ten 
> Commandments,
> for instance.
> 
> And wars of aggression were commanded by God. If something is 
> commanded
> of God, like Nephi slaying Laban, does that command suddenly get
> supplanted by Christ's law? Would that mean that we should look 
> upon
> Nephi's killing Laban as an evil act, since Christ told us to turn 
> the
> other cheek and pray for those who despitefully use us?
> 
> The Mosaic Law is a Terrestrial Law. It is a subset of the Celestial 
> Law
> of Christ. It wasn't destroyed at Christ's coming, but just 
> superceded.
> If God were to command a new Zion's Army to retake Independence, 
> would
> you think it too Mosaic? Or would you just believe that whatever the 
> Lord
> commands is what is in vogue.
> 
> When Moses and Joshua led Israel to aggressive wars, the only reason 
> God
> gave for it was that those nations had ripened in iniquity and He 
> wanted
> them thrust out and totally obliterated: even women, children and
> animals. So exacting was this order that when Saul mercifully saved 
> a
> king's life, Samuel hacked him to pieces to show obedience to God.  
> Who
> was doing right? Saul in mercy, or Samuel in obedience?
> 
> As I mentioned in a previous post, Capt Moroni was involved in
> pre-emptive attacks. The Nephites, in their righteousness, attempted 
> to
> drive the Gadiantons out. I know some on this list fear being 
> involved in
> world wars, or world governments, but the reality is we can't allow 
> the
> Gadiantons to grow out of control. Do I think we can stop 
> Gadiantons? No.
> But I also believe that if we stand by as the wicked Nephites did, 
> we
> will end up with a nation in decline/collapse. 
> 
> As for the CFR/TC worries of JWR and others, just what would you 
> have us
> do? Who do you suggest we trust? If even decent people are totally 
> duped
> by them, then what is the solution? Why don't we have General 
> Authorities
> warning us of them today? Why didn't Ezra Taft Benson warn us about 
> the
> CFR? In fact, If my memory serves me right, I think Eisenhower 
> belonged
> to the CFR, and he hired ETB as his Agricultural Secretary. Does 
> that
> mean ETB was duped?  Should we all move to Alaska to hide from all 
> the
> conspiracy theories? What if someone starts a new one saying that 
> there
> are secret combinations in Alaska? Then where do we hide?
> 
> The reality is, they exist and we can't run nor hide from them. I 
> can't
> fight a hidden enemy, but I can fight the ones that build armies and 
> come
> out in the open. When we have actual evidence against the CFR, then 
> I'll
> worry about them. But until they launch a direct attack on our 
> nation or
> the Constitution, I'll have to pick my battles.  I have no proof 
> that
> Bush is evil or that he is duped by evil men. Therefore, I must 
> trust
> that he will do his humanly best to guide us.
> 
> There is no question of the dangers of Saddam. Even Marc doesn't 
> oppose
> his being toppled. So let's stop pretending that all wars of 
> aggression
> are evil. They aren't. And in reality, this is NOT a war of 
> aggression.
> We are at war with a difficult enemy. The best chance we have at 
> slowing
> terrorists down is to fight those governments that support it. 
> Pakistan
> is currently playing on our side, so until that changes, we need to 
> pick
> our battles against out right enemies.
> 
> K'aya K'ama,
> Gerald/gary  Smith    gszion1 @juno.com    http://www
> .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html
> "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's 
> free."  -
> Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
> 
> 
> Marc:
>  
> And Christ came to fulfill the OT law and offer a higher law. (IOW, 
> use
> the term
> "Bible" less categorically and I think you'll see a stark contrast
> between OT and
> NT ideas).

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