I suspect we shall  soon be kicked off for daring to discuss this, but what
the hey.

Where in 131 does it say this?  I read Celestial Glory, not the Celestial

However in 132:23-24 it talks about receiving and living with God and that
this living with God is what exaltation is defined as.  Living with God
should not be construed as damnation, as you have ably pointed out that it
may represent.

Why would the atonement not make up for any deficiencies that are present in
a person worthy to attain to the Celestial Kingdom?  What could a worthy
person do to not qualify for the atonement in their lives so that they would
have full exaltation?

Well John, when I came back I said I would repond to questions asked.  Happy
to leave if this bothers or scares you.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

> George Cobabe wrote:
> >
> > There are those on this list that in the past have argued that Eternal
> > Marriage is NOT essential for exaltation.  Exaltation is living in the
> > presence of God the Father and receiving His blessings.  Yet it is
> > suggested
> > that to live in the Celestial Kingdom it is not necessary to have an
> > Eternal
> > Marriage.
> Still, it's possible to be in the Celestial Kingdom and NOT be exalted.
> I think that's where the misunderstanding among members comes in.  D&C
> 131 indicates that temple marriage is needed for the *highest degree* of
> the Celestial Kingdom.  On the basis of that scripture, it does appear
> that a single person might be able to enter at the lowest degree.
> But the lower degrees of the Celestial Kingdom represent a type of
> eternal damnation.  Yes, persons designated for that place can be in the
> presence of both the Father and the Son, but exaltation goes beyond
> being in their presence, and means becoming as God in all things, up to
> and including godhood.  If you can receive a degree of Celestial Glory,
> yet be unable to attain the status of godhood (being designated, for
> instance, as a ministering angel), then by definition, one's progression
> stops and damnation occurs.
> Still, in practical terms, I don't know how likely it would be for a
> single person to reach the lower degrees of the Celestial Kingdom.  For
> if someone desires to enter into the covenant, makes the needed
> sacrifices, yet cannot locate a suitable companion, teachings indicate
> that provision will be made later in the post-mortal existance.  At the
> other extreme, someone who goes out of their way to avoid temple
> marriage could be judged as being rebellious or disobedient...perhaps
> the judgment might even be in the direction of the Terrestrial Kingdom?
> In the middle, I suppose, are those individuals who seek to be obedient
> in the Gospel in most things, yet don't care one way or the other about
> temple marriage.  Then they die without being sealed to a companion,
> realizing too late that they should have given the matter greater
> attention.  They might have been exalted, but for their diligence in
> seeking an eternal companion.  I suspect it would be these individuals
> who would become the ministering angels in the lower Celestial rhelms.
> (But would there be that many?)  Even so, all this would be my personal
> speculation.
> All the best,
> /Sandy/
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