RE: [LegacyUG] Correcting from Potential Problem List
Barbara, Firstly, and importantly, back-up your file. An individual can be deleted by right clicking on the name in either of Family, Pedigree or Index Views and deleting. To delete all Ancestors: In Family View, right click on one of the tag boxes and select Ancestors, if required select other spouses and siblings and tag with a convenient number. Then go to ToolsAdvanced Deleting and delete all individuals with that tag number. *Caution* do ensure that only the correct people are tagged, in particular watch for people who may be in more than one tree. One can opt to check each individual before deleting. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Correcting from Potential Problem List Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:43:35 -0600 As I'm cleaning up, I see some people I'd like to drop. On the list of potential problems, if one of the listing is someone that I'd like to delete, or would like to delete all the ancestors of that person, for example, what's the best way to do that? Barbara _ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Calenders was [Holiday Reports]
Cathy, Are you sure that this will work in this particular instance? Susan specifically asked for a Calender List ie. sorted by month then day and tabulated, so that under January, the 1st would contain all those with a birthday/anniversary on that day. As you know as an OOo user I am not familiar with Excel but I would have thought that in the Name List Legacy puts all the date in one field ( I am not sure about this) rather than three. If so surely Excel would then sort as 1 Apr, 1 Aug etc? Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:31:19 +0900 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Calenders was [Holiday Reports] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Susan, If you are wanting data in Excel, you are going to the wrong place. Tag the relevant people and then go to the Name List and show that tagged group and use the Print options. Choose the data you want to use and then Save to csv file and open that in Excel. For more detail see my email today with subject line: Sorting a list or click the Help button on the print page. Cathy At 07:45 AM 19/11/2007, you wrote: Thanks, Ron, that was it. I find it interesting that the montly calendar has the option just to have the YEAR of birth but this list only has to option to have the whole DATE of birth. Obviously if you are on 14 February, you know that the birthdate is 14 Feb! So I guess I will have to add that to the enhancements request, as I find it too bulky. Too bad I can't print to a text or data file. I will print to PDF and save that as a text file, and then try opening that in Excel. But I am grateful for you pointing this out to me!! Susan _ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Editing Locations
Good day, I have been given a huge Legacy file containing over 10,000 names. Some of this is relative to me, much not. But it does need tidying up, as all the detail for each person's BDM is in the Location List, any thoughts on how do this apart from cut and paste would be most welcome. I have been using Search and Replace to remove and correct some entries, plus the Non Location Option to put some of it in the events and general notes, but now stuck with this: i.e.:- born on 23 May 1745 in Dulverton House, Engl. 3rd son heir , (date of baptism unknown) or:- date of marriage Licence in Exeter, married in Taunton, Engl. (17 Sep 1768) or:- died in France, buried there, will date Mar 1782 0r:- Date Baptised 5 January 1658/9 At Newton St Cyres A Minor in 1676, There are hundreds of locations starting with Date baptised, buried or married. Your thought on how to tackle this would be most welcome. Thank you. Best Wishes, Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 17/11/2007 14:55 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Another merge question
I figured the problem out. What I wanted it to do is tag everyone that showed up as POSSIBLE matches (there ate 368 of them). The program apparently can't do that. What it will tag is everyone that you actually merge. If you merge 2 individuals then the 1 individual left over after you merge will be tagged so that you can tell that you merged someone. I wanted to tag everyone that is a possible duplicate. The only way I can do that is to hand tag them one at a time which would take too long. michele - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Another merge question 1) Did it find any duplicates? 2) How have you checked that there are no Tag 9's? You could do a Detailed Search for Individuals with Tag 9 equal to tagged. You could make sure that Tag 9 is one of the 3 tags marked for display on the screens and then use the Name List - Search - Tag 9 If neither of those help - we need more information on what you did. Cathy At 11:31 AM 19/11/2007, you wrote: I decided to tag all the records that are dups. I told it to tag on #9 but after I do that the records are not tagged. What did I do wrong? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Editing Locations
Christine, Is there some really good reason you want us all to let you know that your message was received and read? Otherwise, please turn that feature off. Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: Christine Gibbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Legacy Software LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:58 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Editing Locations Good day, I have been given a huge Legacy file containing over 10,000 names. Some of this is relative to me, much not. But it does need tidying up, as all the detail for each person's BDM is in the Location List, any thoughts on how do this apart from cut and paste would be most welcome. I have been using Search and Replace to remove and correct some entries, plus the Non Location Option to put some of it in the events and general notes, but now stuck with this: i.e.:- born on 23 May 1745 in Dulverton House, Engl. 3rd son heir , (date of baptism unknown) or:- date of marriage Licence in Exeter, married in Taunton, Engl. (17 Sep 1768) or:- died in France, buried there, will date Mar 1782 0r:- Date Baptised 5 January 1658/9 At Newton St Cyres A Minor in 1676, There are hundreds of locations starting with Date baptised, buried or married. Your thought on how to tackle this would be most welcome. Thank you. Best Wishes, Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1136 - Release Date: 17/11/2007 14:55 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Calendars was [Holiday Reports]
Hi Cathy, Thanks for correcting my spelling of Calendar. My only excuse is that I worked in the rubber industry for years, where the big mixing machines are called Calenders, after the name of the manufacturer. Since when I've never known which is which!! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:00:48 +0900 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Calenders was [Holiday Reports] Hi Ron, No it won't produce a Calendar List. Sorry, I didn't read carefully enough perhaps because I don't see the problem with the list. If the whole date is too bulky, using the options you can just have the age. Cathy At 07:13 PM 19/11/2007, you wrote: Cathy, Are you sure that this will work in this particular instance? Susan specifically asked for a Calender List ie. sorted by month then day and tabulated, so that under January, the 1st would contain all those with a birthday/anniversary on that day. As you know as an OOo user I am not familiar with Excel but I would have thought that in the Name List Legacy puts all the date in one field ( I am not sure about this) rather than three. If so surely Excel would then sort as 1 Apr, 1 Aug etc? Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:31:19 +0900 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Calenders was [Holiday Reports] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Susan, If you are wanting data in Excel, you are going to the wrong place. Tag the relevant people and then go to the Name List and show that tagged group and use the Print options. Choose the data you want to use and then Save to csv file and open that in Excel. For more detail see my email today with subject line: Sorting a list or click the Help button on the print page. Cathy At 07:45 AM 19/11/2007, you wrote: Thanks, Ron, that was it. I find it interesting that the montly calendar has the option just to have the YEAR of birth but this list only has to option to have the whole DATE of birth. Obviously if you are on 14 February, you know that the birthdate is 14 Feb! So I guess I will have to add that to the enhancements request, as I find it too bulky. Too bad I can't print to a text or data file. I will print to PDF and save that as a text file, and then try opening that in Excel. But I am grateful for you pointing this out to me!! Susan _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Calendars was [Holiday Reports]
ronald ferguson wrote Thanks for correcting my spelling of Calendar. My only excuse is that I worked in the rubber industry for years, where the big mixing machines are called Calenders, after the name of the manufacturer. Since when I've never known which is which!! It's easy - calendArs are the ones with the dAys on! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Barbara, There are loads on this in the archives and whilst some adhere to the formulaic presentation as detailed by some organisations and individuals there are others, like me, who totally ignore this. Personally I cannot stand double commas to indicate a gap on the address, a gap which in reality may or may not exist. Nor does this so called standard work with many locations outside America. My advice: do as you wish but bear in mind that the Geolocation function may not work as designed unless you stick to the so called standard. It can be forced to work though with a bit of temporary juggling. However, in Legacy it is not a good idea to include anything other than the location in the Location Field, which is the problem Chris has. To do so makes sorting and searching problematical to say the least. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:31:53 -0600 Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Barbara _ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
1. The format of locations is important for consistency (and to make it a lot easier to find the right one in the sorted list!). They generally are entered and viewed from smallest jurisdiction to largest. However, the city/county/state/country format does not suit every situation (or personal preferences). There are various discussions in the archives about that. 2. Yes, you should generally be able to edit directly in the Master list of Locations, including the option of merging locations which should have been the same (e.g. spelling errors, county omitted, etc.) 3. If you don't add a space after a comma, Legacy will do it automatically. Mike Michael J Method family research of: Method, Feehily, Fredrick, Herzog, tenEyck, Belsley In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:34:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Barbara ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Editing Locations
And tag everyone in the DB, so you can remove each tag as you finish that persons' edit. You then know how much is left. Having a plan in place makes it seem smaller. Congratulations on this non-standard inheritance. Rich in LA CA --- Gene Hutson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, Once in Location List, look under options for non-locations, check the box for moving all non-locations to their respective note locations, this allows you to remove them from the list but not to lose the information. Hope this helps, Gene Hutson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:34 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance 1. The format of locations is important for consistency (and to make it a lot easier to find the right one in the sorted list!). They generally are entered and viewed from smallest jurisdiction to largest. However, the city/county/state/country format does not suit every situation (or personal preferences). There are various discussions in the archives about that. 2. Yes, you should generally be able to edit directly in the Master list of Locations, including the option of merging locations which should have been the same (e.g. spelling errors, county omitted, etc.) 3. If you don't add a space after a comma, Legacy will do it automatically. Mike Michael J Method family research of: Method, Feehily, Fredrick, Herzog, tenEyck, Belsley In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:34:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Barbara _ See what's new at HYPERLINK http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170; \nAOL.com and HYPERLINK http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169; \nMake AOL Your Homepage. Legacy User Group guidelines: HYPERLINK http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.c om/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: HYPERLINK http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/http://ww w.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: HYPERLINK http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/He lp.asp To unsubscribe: HYPERLINK http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree .com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Barbara Ford wrote: Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Basically, it doesn't matter so long as you're consistent in *your* use of the field. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
The location format you use is your preference but should make sense to anyone else who reads your entries (I'm hoping that at least one of my grandchildren will have an interest in genealogy ;-) If all your known ancestors and all the anticipated readers are in the US, then state abbreviations may be all that is needed - the readers will recognize the location. If you have locations in Europe/Asia, Georgia could be in either the former USSR or the USA, so either GA, USA or Georgia, USA for the US state would be clearer. John Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Mike, Re: Your point (1). It is much easier to scan the Location List by reading from largest to smallest, where one would obviously start with the name of the country. This can be achieved by clicking Sort in the Location List and then changing the direction to Right to Left. This is particularly true if, like myself, one includes the street and house in the Location Field. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:34:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 1. The format of locations is important for consistency (and to make it a lot easier to find the right one in the sorted list!). They generally are entered and viewed from smallest jurisdiction to largest. However, the city/county/state/country format does not suit every situation (or personal preferences). There are various discussions in the archives about that. 2. Yes, you should generally be able to edit directly in the Master list of Locations, including the option of merging locations which should have been the same (e.g. spelling errors, county omitted, etc.) 3. If you don't add a space after a comma, Legacy will do it automatically. Mike Michael J Method family research of: Method, Feehily, Fredrick, Herzog, tenEyck, Belsley In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:34:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I understanding correctly that the format of locations is very important (perhaps for things I may want to do with that field?)? Would it then be a good idea (or wasted time) to go into all my locations that I've just imported and change them all to the correct format? If it is a good idea, then is there a quick way (such as perhaps editing the Master Location list rather than each individual?--just guessing). Also, when leaving commas in for placeholders (I did watch the training video!), should I leave a space between the commas, and/or before the known word? For example, often I do not know the county. So should I type Springfield,,MO, USA or Springfield, , MO, USA, or Springfield,, MO, USA. Sorry to be so AR, but I don't want to change every location field and then find out I should have been more specific. Barbara _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
I put it under the Research tab. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Barbara Ford To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
I agree with Gary. ALWAYS spell out the state. 2 letter abbreviations haven't always been used and who's to say they will continue to be used in the future. Also, I would recommend ALWAYS indicating the country. Just because your known ancestors weren't from or didn't reside in another country doesn't mean that you won't uncover an ancestor who did and who's to say your great-grandchild won't be born in another country? Therefore, be consistent and ALWAYS use the full name of the state and a country name in your location fields. I also always write county after the name of every county as there are counties whose names are the same as a state. Tom - Original Message - From: Gary Templeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Whatever format you choose, I would still suggest not using state abreviations. The least potential for confusion is to always spell it out completely. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: John Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance The location format you use is your preference but should make sense to anyone else who reads your entries (I'm hoping that at least one of my grandchildren will have an interest in genealogy ;-) If all your known ancestors and all the anticipated readers are in the US, then state abbreviations may be all that is needed - the readers will recognize the location. If you have locations in Europe/Asia, Georgia could be in either the former USSR or the USA, so either GA, USA or Georgia, USA for the US state would be clearer. John Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Barbara, That's how I do it. I have a Master Source called emails with the Title Sundry emails and Type Letter ( largely because I didn't want to put in email again). On the Details page I enter from whom etc: Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:37:12 -0600 How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara _ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Very good advice...thank you all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:57 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Whatever format you choose, I would still suggest not using state abreviations. The least potential for confusion is to always spell it out completely. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: John Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance The location format you use is your preference but should make sense to anyone else who reads your entries (I'm hoping that at least one of my grandchildren will have an interest in genealogy ;-) If all your known ancestors and all the anticipated readers are in the US, then state abbreviations may be all that is needed - the readers will recognize the location. If you have locations in Europe/Asia, Georgia could be in either the former USSR or the USA, so either GA, USA or Georgia, USA for the US state would be clearer. John Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Barbara Ford wrote How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? As the name/title of the Master Source I use Correspondence - Sender's Name, as the Source type I use Correspondence and then in the Source Detail I put E-mail 'Subject line', date. If the e-mail happens to be one addressed to someone else (and this is the same for any form of correspondence) I add this information to the Source Detail, so it would read E-mail to Addressee Name 'Subject Line', date. -- Jenny M Benson Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
I would like to comment on the state abbreviation usage. I am just about finished editing 300 pages of a Legacy generated descendants report, and I had to search and replace all the usages of the two-letter state abbreviations which were part of my short locations list! Genealogy books are recommended to not use abbreviations, but if you need to they suggest the older style (which I found on this web site http://englishplus.com/grammar/0057.htm ). So I use the older style in the list of children below each main entry, and spell out the locations elsewhere. The two letter abbreviations were fine for small reports emailed to cousins, but for a work of this caliber, it just was not good, and has been a waste of my time fixing. So learn from my lesson! ;-) Susan Daily On 11/19/07, Gary Templeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever format you choose, I would still suggest not using state abreviations. The least potential for confusion is to always spell it out completely. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Barbara: The e-mail isn't actually the source, it's the person who wrote it, so I have many Master Sources called Research of (name). I could have letters, e-mails, or even phone calls from this same individual and handle those through the Source Clipboard. Research of John Jones is the Master Source. In the Source Detail field I list the date of the e-mail, letter, or whatever, and in the Actual Source Detail field I summarize the contents, including detail on any original source that the person may have cited (such as a family bible that he owns, for example). Others more organized than I am might print the e-mail, assign a file code which they would enter in the citation and write on the document, and then file it according to any number of schemes--but that's a whole 'nother thread in the archives. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Barbara: The recommended standard is to avoid use of abbreviations. This is especially important if your data will be read by anyone outside the US. AK and AR are particular problems even for those inside the US. I was very surprised, though, at a recent thread on a list for professional genealogists that indicated many of those folks consistently use state abbreviations in their databases--apparently for the primary purpose of getting the data to fit on charts. These people, however, are producing work for clients and were quick to say that they never use their software to produce canned reports such as the family books you can create with most software programs. The charts come from their databases but their reports are written from scratch with no abbreviations. I'm sure this won't answer your basic question but, as with many aspects of Legacy, it depends on what your intended use is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
I am SO glad to get all these valuable responses, BEFORE I change my location list. I had no idea about the disadvantages of the two-state abbreviations. I do have international ancestors, too, so thank goodness I'll be able to get everything all straightened out before I begin adding a bunch of people to my imported file. Thanks to all. Barbara -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance I would like to comment on the state abbreviation usage. I am just about finished editing 300 pages of a Legacy generated descendants report, and I had to search and replace all the usages of the two-letter state abbreviations which were part of my short locations list! Genealogy books are recommended to not use abbreviations, but if you need to they suggest the older style (which I found on this web site http://englishplus.com/grammar/0057.htm ). So I use the older style in the list of children below each main entry, and spell out the locations elsewhere. The two letter abbreviations were fine for small reports emailed to cousins, but for a work of this caliber, it just was not good, and has been a waste of my time fixing. So learn from my lesson! ;-) Susan Daily On 11/19/07, Gary Templeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever format you choose, I would still suggest not using state abreviations. The least potential for confusion is to always spell it out completely. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
As to the abbreviations, people pretty much do as they want - but I know a lot of genealogy societies say to write it out in full. I'm not from the US - so I didn't have a clue where AR was until you said so - (Arizona came to mind - but that is AZ, right?) - so it adds confusion for me. I'd have to look it up somewhere. And I'm just in Canada - what about someone from Europe or Australia? Also - abreviations change! I'm not super old - but I remember in Canada when the provinces had a 4 (or 3) letter code instead of a 2 letter code (and most cities had a 3 letter code.) Would you understand Wpg, Man ? or Edm, Alta? Or what about when boundaries change? in 1999, Canada got a new territory! At that time, I phoned the government to find out the code for the new territory (Nunavut) - I was told it was the same as for the North West Territories - they supposedly both have NTI haven't checked since then to see if it is true or not still In Legacy, each location actually has 2 versions of the location - the long location and the short location. If you use the Geo-locator (I think it is called) - it has both already set for a lot of locations. It spells stuff out for the long, and uses the abbreviations for the short. There are places in the program (I haven't used it - so not sure where) where you can choose which to use for a report, etc. Anyway - as you have guessed, I spell EVERYTHING out. The few items I have in the US, I have United States. (ok, I don't put in United States of America - but I don't put in US) Stuff I have in Canada before Canada existed, I put British North America instead of BNA. I figure the more info you have, the less confusing it is! Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
A distant cousin who lives in Perth Australia and I were confused by the abbreviation WA. In this case, it stood for Washington state but she thought it stood for Western Australia which is the state in which Perth is located. We eventually sorted it out but spelling it out would have saved us a lot of confusion. ___ Wayne Martell Victoria, BC, Canada - Original Message - From: Heather Stovold To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance As to the abbreviations, people pretty much do as they want - but I know a lot of genealogy societies say to write it out in full. I'm not from the US - so I didn't have a clue where AR was until you said so - (Arizona came to mind - but that is AZ, right?) - so it adds confusion for me. I'd have to look it up somewhere. And I'm just in Canada - what about someone from Europe or Australia? Also - abreviations change! I'm not super old - but I remember in Canada when the provinces had a 4 (or 3) letter code instead of a 2 letter code (and most cities had a 3 letter code.) Would you understand Wpg, Man ? or Edm, Alta? Or what about when boundaries change? in 1999, Canada got a new territory! At that time, I phoned the government to find out the code for the new territory (Nunavut) - I was told it was the same as for the North West Territories - they supposedly both have NTI haven't checked since then to see if it is true or not still In Legacy, each location actually has 2 versions of the location - the long location and the short location. If you use the Geo-locator (I think it is called) - it has both already set for a lot of locations. It spells stuff out for the long, and uses the abbreviations for the short. There are places in the program (I haven't used it - so not sure where) where you can choose which to use for a report, etc. Anyway - as you have guessed, I spell EVERYTHING out. The few items I have in the US, I have United States. (ok, I don't put in United States of America - but I don't put in US) Stuff I have in Canada before Canada existed, I put British North America instead of BNA. I figure the more info you have, the less confusing it is! Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Barbara, Here is an example of what I do. Source list name: Email - Sharyn Douglas to Jennifer Crockett 3 Aug 2007 Title: Sharyn Douglas, mums siblings, e-mail message to Jennifer Crockett, 3 Aug 2007 Type: Email Text of Source: Here I copy the whole email but put [[ before it so it won't print as I do not want the person's email address to appear. To copy the email I save it onto my desktop as a txt. file in Notepad and copy and paste and then delete the file from my desktop. I use the source list name as above so I have all emails together in the Master Source List. If I get more than one email on one day from the same person with the same email subject, I add the time received to the date. I used to enter the Title like this as preferred by Mills, I think. I used the double [[ to exclude it from printing. As once again, I don't like to publish another's email address or postal address in reports or on my website. It might be OK in a book: Sharyn Douglas, mums siblings, e-mail message [[from email address (postal address)]] to Jennifer Crockett, 19 July 2003. Jennifer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 2:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] How to create gedcom w/o quoted names
Is there a way to export to a gedcom and not include quoted names? Seems like the TempleReady export should have this feature. Kathie Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
As Jenny and Kirsten, I also have a separate Master Source for each individual I receive information from. Starting the Master Source with a common word or phrase helps keep them all together in the Master Source list (Correspondence or Research). To keep my Master Sources shorter while still keeping all similar sources together, I prefix all individuals with a symbol (= in my case). I also use symbols for other groups of sources (such as Vital Records, Census, etc.). So a portion of my Master Source list looks like this: .Ancestral File .International Genealogical Index +Vital:Utah - Death Certificates +Vital:Utah - Marriage Certificates =Colleen Smith =Michael Furness =Steven Jones In the Source Detail, I list the type of correspondence (email, letter, phone call), date, and the other person involved (even if it is me, which it usually is). I enter most or all of the email, etc in the Source Detail Text. I have changed how I handle my sources based on reading posts on this User Group. It has been VERY helpful. Bruce On Nov 19, 2007 10:15 AM, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara: The e-mail isn't actually the source, it's the person who wrote it, so I have many Master Sources called Research of (name). I could have letters, e-mails, or even phone calls from this same individual and handle those through the Source Clipboard. Research of John Jones is the Master Source. In the Source Detail field I list the date of the e-mail, letter, or whatever, and in the Actual Source Detail field I summarize the contents, including detail on any original source that the person may have cited (such as a family bible that he owns, for example). Others more organized than I am might print the e-mail, assign a file code which they would enter in the citation and write on the document, and then file it according to any number of schemes--but that's a whole 'nother thread in the archives. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New Laptop Legacy Help
Personally, I would use a USB/Thumb Drive instead of a DVD. In reading your post, it seems that you want to use the family files on BOTH the laptop AND the desktop. If this is true, I would recommend keeping all your family files on a USB/Thumb Drive instead of on your computer's hard disk (I and several others have been using this approach for some time). 1. Download Legacy to your new laptop 2. Open each family file on the desktop and save (not backup) each to a USB/Thumb drive (File, Save Family File as) 3. Just plug the USB/Thumb drive with your family files into whichever computer you will be using. You never have to worry about which computer has the current file or about keeping two different files in sync. (Note: be sure to use the procedure to correctly remove the USB drive each time) 4. Set the Legacy options to always do a backup when you exit Legacy (Legacy will not do a backup if nothing has changed). Always backup to the hard drive of the computer you are using (NOT the USB/Thumb drive). I hope this helps. Bruce On Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM, Janet Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a new laptop with Windows Vista and a desktop with Windows XP Home Edition. I am not at home and do not have my disk for reloading Legacy 6.0, so will have to on online to download it. What do you suggest as to how I get my info from Windows XP to Vista? Should I backup each family file that I have on a DVD and load that on to the Windows Vista? I do have more than one family file. Please tell me the easiest way to do this. Also, can I keep backing up to the desktop and keep Legacy on both computers for safety and storage? I do not have a picture file as of yet, so don't have to worry about that now. Thank you, Janet Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Kirsten, I feel its somewhat pedantic to say that the email is not the source but the person who wrote it. Let us take this argument one stage further. It follows that a census is not a source, but would it be the person who gave the information or the person (usually the enumerator) who wrote it in the 1800s - some one must be responsible for the errors we all have seen. Taking this to its absolute logical conclusion all sources are people and cannot be documents. I'm sorry but I cannot accept this and I'm quite happy to continue with emails as sources, although as I said I do put the details in the Source Details - including who from. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:15:56 -0800 Barbara: The e-mail isn't actually the source, it's the person who wrote it, so I have many Master Sources called Research of (name). I could have letters, e-mails, or even phone calls from this same individual and handle those through the Source Clipboard. Research of John Jones is the Master Source. In the Source Detail field I list the date of the e-mail, letter, or whatever, and in the Actual Source Detail field I summarize the contents, including detail on any original source that the person may have cited (such as a family bible that he owns, for example). Others more organized than I am might print the e-mail, assign a file code which they would enter in the citation and write on the document, and then file it according to any number of schemes--but that's a whole 'nother thread in the archives. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara _ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Ron: I'll admit that my response was a little off-the-cuff, but *pedantic*?? It's actually a simple case of how you choose to organize your sources. I find it more convenient to group data received from others by that individual's name. It isn't necessary to apply that rule across the board. I group census listings by date and location; books are grouped by title and author. This gives me a nicely sorted Master Source List that is much like a bibliography. If lumping e-mails into one master source works for you (and I know you're a dedicated Lumper), then by all means carry on! Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:46 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type Kirsten, I feel its somewhat pedantic to say that the email is not the source but the person who wrote it. Let us take this argument one stage further. It follows that a census is not a source, but would it be the person who gave the information or the person (usually the enumerator) who wrote it in the 1800s - some one must be responsible for the errors we all have seen. Taking this to its absolute logical conclusion all sources are people and cannot be documents. I'm sorry but I cannot accept this and I'm quite happy to continue with emails as sources, although as I said I do put the details in the Source Details - including who from. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:15:56 -0800 Barbara: The e-mail isn't actually the source, it's the person who wrote it, so I have many Master Sources called Research of (name). I could have letters, e-mails, or even phone calls from this same individual and handle those through the Source Clipboard. Research of John Jones is the Master Source. In the Source Detail field I list the date of the e-mail, letter, or whatever, and in the Actual Source Detail field I summarize the contents, including detail on any original source that the person may have cited (such as a family bible that he owns, for example). Others more organized than I am might print the e-mail, assign a file code which they would enter in the citation and write on the document, and then file it according to any number of schemes--but that's a whole 'nother thread in the archives. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:37 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] ToDo List as Research and/or Correspondance Log
Does anyone use the ToDo feature as a log sheet for Research and/or Correspondance... or, do you have a good word.doc that you use? I type so much faster than I write that I don't want to keep using a handwritten log. Denise in Pasadena, Calif Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Thomas Herson wrote: Also, I would recommend ALWAYS indicating the country. Just because your known ancestors weren't from or didn't reside in another country doesn't mean that you won't uncover an ancestor who did and who's to say your great-grandchild won't be born in another country? Besides, even the USA wasn't always so - just another colony and considered as part of Great Britain. So, *always* mention the correct country and get the time context correct. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New Laptop Legacy Help
Just be aware that the flash memory technology used in thumb drives has a limited number of write cycles (around 10) but virtually unlimited reads (millions). Every time you open a family file with Legacy, it does a write (that's how the Access engine works). If your thumb drive is several years old, it may have a shorter life - flash memory technology is improving rapidly. I use thumb drives for data transfer between computers that are not networked, but I keep the data on the hard drive because it's usually faster. For backup, I use CD/DVD/second hard drive in various combinations, depending on location - second hard drive when at home, CD when on the road, DVD for backups of full size images (currently 8+GB of pictures, scanned documents, downloaded documents/maps, census images, etc). John Personally, I would use a USB/Thumb Drive instead of a DVD. In reading your post, it seems that you want to use the family files on BOTH the laptop AND the desktop. If this is true, I would recommend keeping all your family files on a USB/Thumb Drive instead of on your computer's hard disk (I and several others have been using this approach for some time). 1. Download Legacy to your new laptop 2. Open each family file on the desktop and save (not backup) each to a USB/Thumb drive (File, Save Family File as) 3. Just plug the USB/Thumb drive with your family files into whichever computer you will be using. You never have to worry about which computer has the current file or about keeping two different files in sync. (Note: be sure to use the procedure to correctly remove the USB drive each time) 4. Set the Legacy options to always do a backup when you exit Legacy (Legacy will not do a backup if nothing has changed). Always backup to the hard drive of the computer you are using (NOT the USB/Thumb drive). I hope this helps. Bruce On Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM, Janet Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a new laptop with Windows Vista and a desktop with Windows XP Home Edition. I am not at home and do not have my disk for reloading Legacy 6.0, so will have to on online to download it. What do you suggest as to how I get my info from Windows XP to Vista? Should I backup each family file that I have on a DVD and load that on to the Windows Vista? I do have more than one family file. Please tell me the easiest way to do this. Also, can I keep backing up to the desktop and keep Legacy on both computers for safety and storage? I do not have a picture file as of yet, so don't have to worry about that now. Thank you, Janet Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
Bruce: That's a neat trick. It would allow grouping Master Sources into categories without having to always preface the source name with a full common word; you can just use a 1-stroke symbol instead. Thanks for the idea. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Jones Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type As Jenny and Kirsten, I also have a separate Master Source for each individual I receive information from. Starting the Master Source with a common word or phrase helps keep them all together in the Master Source list (Correspondence or Research). To keep my Master Sources shorter while still keeping all similar sources together, I prefix all individuals with a symbol (= in my case). I also use symbols for other groups of sources (such as Vital Records, Census, etc.). So a portion of my Master Source list looks like this: .Ancestral File .International Genealogical Index +Vital:Utah - Death Certificates +Vital:Utah - Marriage Certificates =Colleen Smith =Michael Furness =Steven Jones In the Source Detail, I list the type of correspondence (email, letter, phone call), date, and the other person involved (even if it is me, which it usually is). I enter most or all of the email, etc in the Source Detail Text. I have changed how I handle my sources based on reading posts on this User Group. It has been VERY helpful. Bruce Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New Laptop Legacy Help
Thank you Bruce, I do have a USB/Thumb Drive and that is such a good idea! Will try it. Janet On Nov 19, 2007 3:56 PM, Bruce Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I would use a USB/Thumb Drive instead of a DVD. In reading your post, it seems that you want to use the family files on BOTH the laptop AND the desktop. If this is true, I would recommend keeping all your family files on a USB/Thumb Drive instead of on your computer's hard disk (I and several others have been using this approach for some time). 1. Download Legacy to your new laptop 2. Open each family file on the desktop and save (not backup) each to a USB/Thumb drive (File, Save Family File as) 3. Just plug the USB/Thumb drive with your family files into whichever computer you will be using. You never have to worry about which computer has the current file or about keeping two different files in sync. (Note: be sure to use the procedure to correctly remove the USB drive each time) 4. Set the Legacy options to always do a backup when you exit Legacy (Legacy will not do a backup if nothing has changed). Always backup to the hard drive of the computer you are using (NOT the USB/Thumb drive). I hope this helps. Bruce On Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM, Janet Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a new laptop with Windows Vista and a desktop with Windows XP Home Edition. I am not at home and do not have my disk for reloading Legacy 6.0, so will have to on online to download it. What do you suggest as to how I get my info from Windows XP to Vista? Should I backup each family file that I have on a DVD and load that on to the Windows Vista? I do have more than one family file. Please tell me the easiest way to do this. Also, can I keep backing up to the desktop and keep Legacy on both computers for safety and storage? I do not have a picture file as of yet, so don't have to worry about that now. Thank you, Janet Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New Laptop Legacy Help
Hi Janet, It's OK to use Legacy on two computers. Vista has a different security environment that makes things a bit different from XP. See http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/helpWindowsVista.asp for tips on Legacy with Vista. Re transferring data from one computer to the other. Use whatever medium you have. USB drives are the easiest. Since you're not at home and are loading Legacy, it sounds like you are carrying a DVD or thumb drive with some of your data at least. Cathy At 04:34 AM 20/11/2007, you wrote: I have a new laptop with Windows Vista and a desktop with Windows XP Home Edition. I am not at home and do not have my disk for reloading Legacy 6.0, so will have to on online to download it. What do you suggest as to how I get my info from Windows XP to Vista? Should I backup each family file that I have on a DVD and load that on to the Windows Vista? I do have more than one family file. Please tell me the easiest way to do this. Also, can I keep backing up to the desktop and keep Legacy on both computers for safety and storage? I do not have a picture file as of yet, so don't have to worry about that now. Thank you, Janet Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
I have been really surprised by the answers to this subject. During this thread there has been no mention of the Chapman's Codes. Where I come from in the Genealogical world, and I am an accredited genealogist, it is always recommended to use the Chapman's codes as a standard then everyone knows where you are talking about. I am unsure about the long and short location names but is it possible to put the Chapman's Code in the short field and the full name in the long field ? I am trying to be helpful here so be gentle if I have messed this up as apparently am not very good at expressing myself. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow Wexford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 4:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Barbara: The recommended standard is to avoid use of abbreviations. This is especially important if your data will be read by anyone outside the US. AK and AR are particular problems even for those inside the US. I was very surprised, though, at a recent thread on a list for professional genealogists that indicated many of those folks consistently use state abbreviations in their databases--apparently for the primary purpose of getting the data to fit on charts. These people, however, are producing work for clients and were quick to say that they never use their software to produce canned reports such as the family books you can create with most software programs. The charts come from their databases but their reports are written from scratch with no abbreviations. I'm sure this won't answer your basic question but, as with many aspects of Legacy, it depends on what your intended use is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
On that note, is it ok to just put USA or should we be writing out United States of America? michele - Original Message - From: Mike Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thomas Herson wrote: Also, I would recommend ALWAYS indicating the country. Just because your known ancestors weren't from or didn't reside in another country doesn't mean that you won't uncover an ancestor who did and who's to say your great-grandchild won't be born in another country? Besides, even the USA wasn't always so - just another colony and considered as part of Great Britain. So, *always* mention the correct country and get the time context correct. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
Hi Valerie, That's what I tend to do. However, most of our readers are not genealogists and don't know the Chapman Codes and I only know them for the places common in my genealogy so that's why it's best not to publish using abbreviations. Note the Chapman Codes are in the Legacy Help file twice. Once with the full name first and once with the abbreviation first - so the code is only a few clicks away. Look in the Help Index either under Abbreviations or Chapman Codes Cathy At 08:38 AM 20/11/2007, you wrote: I have been really surprised by the answers to this subject. During this thread there has been no mention of the Chapman's Codes. Where I come from in the Genealogical world, and I am an accredited genealogist, it is always recommended to use the Chapman's codes as a standard then everyone knows where you are talking about. I am unsure about the long and short location names but is it possible to put the Chapman's Code in the short field and the full name in the long field ? I am trying to be helpful here so be gentle if I have messed this up as apparently am not very good at expressing myself. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
Chapman's Codes? Can you explain this? I have never heard of this! michele Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New Laptop Legacy Help
Thank you also, John. All information is helpful and I am very glad that you wrote about how the flash memory works as I didn't know that. Janet On Nov 19, 2007 4:52 PM, John Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just be aware that the flash memory technology used in thumb drives has a limited number of write cycles (around 10) but virtually unlimited reads (millions). Every time you open a family file with Legacy, it does a write (that's how the Access engine works). If your thumb drive is several years old, it may have a shorter life - flash memory technology is improving rapidly. I use thumb drives for data transfer between computers that are not networked, but I keep the data on the hard drive because it's usually faster. For backup, I use CD/DVD/second hard drive in various combinations, depending on location - second hard drive when at home, CD when on the road, DVD for backups of full size images (currently 8+GB of pictures, scanned documents, downloaded documents/maps, census images, etc). John Personally, I would use a USB/Thumb Drive instead of a DVD. In reading your post, it seems that you want to use the family files on BOTH the laptop AND the desktop. If this is true, I would recommend keeping all your family files on a USB/Thumb Drive instead of on your computer's hard disk (I and several others have been using this approach for some time). 1. Download Legacy to your new laptop 2. Open each family file on the desktop and save (not backup) each to a USB/Thumb drive (File, Save Family File as) 3. Just plug the USB/Thumb drive with your family files into whichever computer you will be using. You never have to worry about which computer has the current file or about keeping two different files in sync. (Note: be sure to use the procedure to correctly remove the USB drive each time) 4. Set the Legacy options to always do a backup when you exit Legacy (Legacy will not do a backup if nothing has changed). Always backup to the hard drive of the computer you are using (NOT the USB/Thumb drive). I hope this helps. Bruce On Nov 19, 2007 11:34 AM, Janet Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a new laptop with Windows Vista and a desktop with Windows XP Home Edition. I am not at home and do not have my disk for reloading Legacy 6.0, so will have to on online to download it. What do you suggest as to how I get my info from Windows XP to Vista? Should I backup each family file that I have on a DVD and load that on to the Windows Vista? I do have more than one family file. Please tell me the easiest way to do this. Also, can I keep backing up to the desktop and keep Legacy on both computers for safety and storage? I do not have a picture file as of yet, so don't have to worry about that now. Thank you, Janet Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Chapman Codes
Ok, I looked up Chapman Codes in the Legacy help file and lo and behold, there they were :) I did notice that the Chapman Codes includes that TWO LETTER POSTAL ABBREVIATIONS for the US states so I guess I am ok after all :) :) :) michele Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
Michele: Either one gets very boring in reading reports. There are some cures for that under Help Country Expansion, but I've never played around with it. I usually do fairly heavy editing of reports and frequently delete the country name after the first instance for any given individual. There's also the long name / short name option. A combination of these features might give a good result in reports. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance On that note, is it ok to just put USA or should we be writing out United States of America? michele Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Chapman codes (was: Date Format Importance...)
Hi Michele, Chapman's Codes? Can you explain this? I have never heard of this! A Google search of this term will bring up a lot of results, but this one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapman_code - is probably one of the more useful ones for your query. See also http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Regions/Codes.html Chapman codes are abbreviations for administrative divisions, ie counties and the suchlike. Such as YKS for Yorkshire, ERY for the East Riding of Yorkshire, SCT for Scotland, and so on. Very similar to the two-letter codes for US states that have been discussed here. Chapman codes are specifically for the UK and Ireland, though there are commonly accepted abbreviations for other parts of the world that tend to be assumed to be part of this set. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard *** Please reply to the list *** -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/ Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] List archives (was: Date Format Importance)
Hi Barbara, One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. See the link provided at the end of every list post: Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ This link will take you straight to the archives. :-) Also in the footer of every post is a link to the group's guidelines, which everyone should check from time-to-time. It includes things like Please only send messages in plain text format. You should be able to tell your email program to always send in plain text when sending an email to a particular address. I note you're using Outlook, which I'm not too familiar with at the moment, but I expect it is similar to Outlook Express, where there is a box you can check for this setting in the Address Book entry - so save the list address in your Address Book if you haven't already, and then make that selection to always send in plain text. For more information about setting plain text in other email programs, please see http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html and http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/ Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Photo Album or Scrapbook
Has anyone used Photo Albums/Scrapbooks. I have printed out the Help file concerning this topic, and all the Legacy Tips concerning pictures. Has anyone had experience in using or printing a photo album or scrapbook? Were theyy pleased with it? Does it work well I would like to print booklets of Family Groups with larger pictures at the back of the booklet. Has anyone tried anything like this or the Photo Album, and if so, were they pleased with the result? Your response will be most appreciated. Winifred Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
I understand from the training video that the individual's burial location field should only contain the city, county, state, country of burial, and not the name of the cemetery. The video instructed to input the name of the cemetery by clicking on the plus sign, choosing burial address, and putting the name of the cemetery in the Name field on that screen. That screen also has a place to input AGAIN the city, county, state, country of the burial site. Is that necessary to do again, when it is already on the Individual's Information screen? It seems redundant to me, but then I'm just now learning about the different fields and how they might be used later Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
I think the reason is because a person can die in one place but be buried in another. It is pretty common actually. I too had to go through my file and remove the the name of the cemetery in that field after watching the videos (which I think should be mandatory viewing) michele - Original Message - From: Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry I understand from the training video that the individual's burial location field should only contain the city, county, state, country of burial, and not the name of the cemetery. The video instructed to input the name of the cemetery by clicking on the plus sign, choosing burial address, and putting the name of the cemetery in the Name field on that screen. That screen also has a place to input AGAIN the city, county, state, country of the burial site. Is that necessary to do again, when it is already on the Individual's Information screen? It seems redundant to me, but then I'm just now learning about the different fields and how they might be used later Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance
I used to do it because I was saving the ink used for printing the abbreviations. I had started when hand writing FGS by lessening the writing needed. As I got older, I switched it to easier to read when possible. I don't know about the others. Rich in LA CA --- Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara: The recommended standard is to avoid use of abbreviations. This is especially important if your data will be read by anyone outside the US. AK and AR are particular problems even for those inside the US. I was very surprised, though, at a recent thread on a list for professional genealogists that indicated many of those folks consistently use state abbreviations in their databases--apparently for the primary purpose of getting the data to fit on charts. These people, however, are producing work for clients and were quick to say that they never use their software to produce canned reports such as the family books you can create with most software programs. The charts come from their databases but their reports are written from scratch with no abbreviations. I'm sure this won't answer your basic question but, as with many aspects of Legacy, it depends on what your intended use is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] tagged locations
I recently started to enter notes for some locations, mostly a timeline of sorts. When I add notes I also tic the tag box to help me find them later. Now I can't find any way to use the tags. I can display a list of individuals with only tag 1 or tag x or only tagged marriages. From Display master lists If I display a list of Event addresses I can choose to display only tagged addresses. Every list in Master source list has tags and most but not all have option to Show only tagged. The Master Source list has four Show Only boxes: Tagged, Verified, Unverified Excluded. The Locations is a very long list so Legacy should add a Show only tagged button to it. Otherwise I see no reason to have tags. I wrote an Access query to show only tagged. Anyone know how to use these tags in Legacy? -- Richard Van Wasshnova Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email as a Source Type
I created a Source Type as 'e-mail web-page' so all 'virtual' sources (ie untraceable in future) so I know what copies I printed may be the only source later on. Rich in LA CA --- Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do most people record an email as a source? It's not really a letter or an interview. I know I can add a source type to the master list. Is that suggested? Thanks, Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
It is a good idea, but I have my method in place already, so will not change. Rich in LA CA --- Valerie Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been really surprised by the answers to this subject. During this thread there has been no mention of the Chapman's Codes. Where I come from in the Genealogical world, and I am an accredited genealogist, it is always recommended to use the Chapman's codes as a standard then everyone knows where you are talking about. I am unsure about the long and short location names but is it possible to put the Chapman's Code in the short field and the full name in the long field ? I am trying to be helpful here so be gentle if I have messed this up as apparently am not very good at expressing myself. Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
Valerie, This is just my general observation and not genealogical gospel so please take it as such. The genealogists that I know who are certified or accredited genealogists started doing there data entry on paper forms. The paper forms were limited in space, making abbreviations helpful to fit the locations and other data in the appropriate fields. When genealogy programs were first written for the computer, disk space was at a premium. As disk space became cheaper, many books on computer based genealogy encouraged to move away from any abbreviations and spell everything out. I know people who will type every last word of a birth, marriage, or death certificate into Legacy instead of scanning the certificate. This is another old habbit from the early days of genealogy. We are in the digital age. I digitally record and attach audio / video clips to my data. I scan everything I get my hands on from BMD certificates to wedding announcements to newspaper articles about relatives. Glen Ballard (Not a professional genealogist, but an addicted genealogist) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Valerie Garton Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance I have been really surprised by the answers to this subject. During this thread there has been no mention of the Chapman's Codes. Where I come from in the Genealogical world, and I am an accredited genealogist, it is always recommended to use the Chapman's codes as a standard then everyone knows where you are talking about. I am unsure about the long and short location names but is it possible to put the Chapman's Code in the short field and the full name in the long field ? I am trying to be helpful here so be gentle if I have messed this up as apparently am not very good at expressing myself. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow Wexford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 4:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Barbara: The recommended standard is to avoid use of abbreviations. This is especially important if your data will be read by anyone outside the US. AK and AR are particular problems even for those inside the US. I was very surprised, though, at a recent thread on a list for professional genealogists that indicated many of those folks consistently use state abbreviations in their databases--apparently for the primary purpose of getting the data to fit on charts. These people, however, are producing work for clients and were quick to say that they never use their software to produce canned reports such as the family books you can create with most software programs. The charts come from their databases but their reports are written from scratch with no abbreviations. I'm sure this won't answer your basic question but, as with many aspects of Legacy, it depends on what your intended use is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages:
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
Yes, that is what I'm doing now, removing the name of the cemetery from the burial location fields. And I do have several cases where the death location is different from the burial location. But I was talking about two different places to enter the BURIAL LOCATION...that is, you put the location in the individual's information screen, and then when you click on the plus sign and get to the screen where you can put the name of the cemetery, there are blanks there, again, to put the BURIAL LOCATION again--same information you just entered on the previous screen. I was asking if there was any reason to have to repeat the same information. I understand that you could enter the exact address of the cemetery on that screen. But, if on the individual's information screen you have put city, county, state, country, and that's all the information you have, is there a reason for putting the city, county, state, country AGAIN on the Burial Address screen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry I think the reason is because a person can die in one place but be buried in another. It is pretty common actually. I too had to go through my file and remove the the name of the cemetery in that field after watching the videos (which I think should be mandatory viewing) michele - Original Message - From: Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry I understand from the training video that the individual's burial location field should only contain the city, county, state, country of burial, and not the name of the cemetery. The video instructed to input the name of the cemetery by clicking on the plus sign, choosing burial address, and putting the name of the cemetery in the Name field on that screen. That screen also has a place to input AGAIN the city, county, state, country of the burial site. Is that necessary to do again, when it is already on the Individual's Information screen? It seems redundant to me, but then I'm just now learning about the different fields and how they might be used later Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] List archives (was: Date Format Importance)
Yes, I understood the part about sending in plain text, which I was trying to do. But I noticed that when I click on reply, if someone SENT their message in HTML format, my reply follows suit... I'll try to be more careful and make sure my Outlook settings are correct. Thanks Barbara -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy Howard Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:42 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] List archives (was: Date Format Importance) Hi Barbara, One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. See the link provided at the end of every list post: Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ This link will take you straight to the archives. :-) Also in the footer of every post is a link to the group's guidelines, which everyone should check from time-to-time. It includes things like Please only send messages in plain text format. You should be able to tell your email program to always send in plain text when sending an email to a particular address. I note you're using Outlook, which I'm not too familiar with at the moment, but I expect it is similar to Outlook Express, where there is a box you can check for this setting in the Address Book entry - so save the list address in your Address Book if you haven't already, and then make that selection to always send in plain text. For more information about setting plain text in other email programs, please see http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/plaintext.html and http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/ Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance
Chapman codes are fine... for those that know Chapman codes; but I wonder how useful they are to someone who doesn't know them or don't even know of them. All in all, I tend to believe that full location codes are best; although abbreviations might be used later in the same paragraph. -Original Message- From: Valerie Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 5:38 pm Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance - which I think should be location importance I have been really surprised by the answers to this subject. During this thread there has been no mention of the Chapman's Codes. Where I come from in the Genealogical world, and I am an accredited genealogist, it is always recommended to use the Chapman's codes as a standard then everyone knows where you are talking about. I am unsure about the long and short location names but is it possible to put the Chapman's Code in the short field and the full name in the long field ? I am trying to be helpful here so be gentle if I have messed this up as apparently am not very good at expressing myself. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow Wexford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 4:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Barbara: The recommended standard is to avoid use of abbreviations. This is especially important if your data will be read by anyone outside the US. AK and AR are particular problems even for those inside the US. I was very surprised, though, at a recent thread on a list for professional genealogists that indicated many of those folks consistently use state abbreviations in their databases--apparently for the primary purpose of getting the data to fit on charts. These people, however, are producing work for clients and were quick to say that they never use their software to produce canned reports such as the family books you can create with most software programs. The charts come from their databases but their reports are written from scratch with no abbreviations. I'm sure this won't answer your basic question but, as with many aspects of Legacy, it depends on what your intended use is. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Date Format Importance Thanks to all for answersthis makes it clearerthis program is so great in that I can easily see where data is entered in the location field that doesn't belong there (in one case, adopted by Michael Luther)--I understand that I will need to go to those individuals and clean that up, so as not to lose data (I'm catching on) Had also seen the option for merging several locations, and just have one more question along that line--is there a standard preference on spelling out the name of a state as opposed to the standard abbreviation (understanding, I should be consistent)--in other words, if I have some AR, some Arkansas, some AR, USA, some Arkansas, USA, I could merge them all to one standard, and does it matter if I use the AR or the Arkansas? One last thing, I drowning in manual, user group, web site--would you mind to coddle me and give me a quick reference to the archives referred to here. (At least my emails should make everyone else feel like geniuses!!) Thanks so much, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
Barbara, There are a couple of reasons I can think of: 1.) Allow you to print the address on a label or envelope to send a letter for information on a relative. 2.) Allow you to export a list to import into a contact manager, PDA, or GPS for driving directions I am sure others can add more to this list. Glen Ballard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Ford Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry Yes, that is what I'm doing now, removing the name of the cemetery from the burial location fields. And I do have several cases where the death location is different from the burial location. But I was talking about two different places to enter the BURIAL LOCATION...that is, you put the location in the individual's information screen, and then when you click on the plus sign and get to the screen where you can put the name of the cemetery, there are blanks there, again, to put the BURIAL LOCATION again--same information you just entered on the previous screen. I was asking if there was any reason to have to repeat the same information. I understand that you could enter the exact address of the cemetery on that screen. But, if on the individual's information screen you have put city, county, state, country, and that's all the information you have, is there a reason for putting the city, county, state, country AGAIN on the Burial Address screen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry I think the reason is because a person can die in one place but be buried in another. It is pretty common actually. I too had to go through my file and remove the the name of the cemetery in that field after watching the videos (which I think should be mandatory viewing) michele - Original Message - From: Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry I understand from the training video that the individual's burial location field should only contain the city, county, state, country of burial, and not the name of the cemetery. The video instructed to input the name of the cemetery by clicking on the plus sign, choosing burial address, and putting the name of the cemetery in the Name field on that screen. That screen also has a place to input AGAIN the city, county, state, country of the burial site. Is that necessary to do again, when it is already on the Individual's Information screen? It seems redundant to me, but then I'm just now learning about the different fields and how they might be used later Barbara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1137 - Release Date: 11/18/2007 5:15 PM Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
Well, this might not be the only reason - but there may be more than one St. Mary's Cemetary (for example) - so the address list could be confusing if you didn't put the city, state (or whatever) in the cemetary's address... On 11/19/07, Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that is what I'm doing now, removing the name of the cemetery from the burial location fields. And I do have several cases where the death location is different from the burial location. But I was talking about two different places to enter the BURIAL LOCATION...that is, you put the location in the individual's information screen, and then when you click on the plus sign and get to the screen where you can put the name of the cemetery, there are blanks there, again, to put the BURIAL LOCATION again--same information you just entered on the previous screen. I was asking if there was any reason to have to repeat the same information. I understand that you could enter the exact address of the cemetery on that screen. But, if on the individual's information screen you have put city, county, state, country, and that's all the information you have, is there a reason for putting the city, county, state, country AGAIN on the Burial Address screen? Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location Entry
On 19 Nov 2007 Barbara Ford wrote: I was asking if there was any reason to have to repeat the same information. I understand that you could enter the exact address of the cemetery on that screen. But, if on the individual's information screen you have put city, county, state, country, and that's all the information you have, is there a reason for putting the city, county, state, country AGAIN on the Burial Address screen? You only need to enter it *once* on the Address tab. These address locations are a common list accessible from many places in Legacy and shared. So one church address could be used for marriages, christenings and burials. *Don't* enter the same address more than once! Instead click on the Address List button and select the one you want from those you've previously entered. When entering addresses *always* check the Address List to see if it's already in there, otherwise you'll get duplications. To verify if you have duplications click on View Master Lists Address Lists Event to see the listing. To identify similarly-named places in the list, for example Hillside Cemetery, add a suffix to the name within double square brackets -- so it becomes Hillside Cemetery[[Scotch Plains NJ]] The brackets prevent the identifying suffix from printing in reports. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] tagged locations
A Show only Tagged in the Location list options would be great. Why don't you put in a Suggestion? Currently you can use the tags to choose what to print in a Location report. Cathy At 12:05 PM 20/11/2007, you wrote: I recently started to enter notes for some locations, mostly a timeline of sorts. When I add notes I also tic the tag box to help me find them later. Now I can't find any way to use the tags. I can display a list of individuals with only tag 1 or tag x or only tagged marriages. From Display master lists If I display a list of Event addresses I can choose to display only tagged addresses. Every list in Master source list has tags and most but not all have option to Show only tagged. The Master Source list has four Show Only boxes: Tagged, Verified, Unverified Excluded. The Locations is a very long list so Legacy should add a Show only tagged button to it. Otherwise I see no reason to have tags. I wrote an Access query to show only tagged. Anyone know how to use these tags in Legacy? -- Richard Van Wasshnova Give Legacy as a Gift for 25% Off. Visit http://tinyurl.com/2b49et Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
