Re: To get K30/2.8 ?
I don't know, I think so but then I'm biased, also I think I got a bargain when I picked the one I have up for under $200.00 USD. At 03:30 AM 12/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: I am thinking about getting a K30/2.8. But its price could let me have also-good K35/3.5 and K28/3.5 plus remaining money in my pocket. I am not a collector. Is it still reasonable to have K30? _ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
RE: Hypothetical Question
I already use AF lenses with my MF bodies. At 10:09 PM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Older, metal, for sure, for their simplicity and larger viewfinders more than anything else. To paraphrase a Harvard professor's remark about reading new books, Whenever a new camera body comes out, I buy two old ones. I assume I could still mix old bodies with new lenses, and vice versa. Yes? Not that I would. Which raises a variant question: If you could use either old (metal manual-focus) bodies with AF lenses or new (AF) bodies with old (manual focus) lenses, which would you choose? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new LX screens, in JAPAN
Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 10:50:40 AM, Alan wrote: AC The suggested price is JPD2000. The street price is JPD1600. I got the price AC from MapCamera. Btw, I am not Japanese, and I don't live in Japan. :) Alan, thanks! My google searches turned out nothing, but I did search only in .jp domain. I will look at the mapcamera. Hopefully they will have also a locator where in Japan the screen is available, it could be in the major photo stores probably :) Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: Whew....
HI, I'm new to the list but listened in for awhile. Hot sounds great but my ideal Xmas is actually what I'm going to do next week, going home to YES the Arctic Circle and enjoy cold clear nights with Aurora Borealis, skiing and photography using my pentax stuff and MF camera. WHere is home then, northern Sweden Scandinavia, lowest temperature record -52 C, expect to have down to about -30C now, enjoyable is down to -25 C, and the spit doesn''t freeze before hiting ground in sub -40C temperature (believe it or not but its true). Cheers, Happy Xmas and photographing Ronald
RE: Hypothetical Question
Until they make a digi, eh Cotty? -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I have no doubts. Metal bodied, LX and MX. Cheers, Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Hypothetical Question
That about says it all, Paul! keith whaley Paul Stenquist wrote: The older bodies, without a doubt. LX, MX, and Spotmatic F are my favorites. Focus and exposure control are part of the fun. To leave that up to the machine would be like taking the bus instead of driving a sports car. Paul Stenquist
Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose?
What a question. You should use a Pentax microscope. Of Course! GRIN Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
Re: OT: Can I cry now?
Glenn,I hear ya loud and clear. Similar thing but not so labour intensive as yours. I put all the film prints i take of the kids at the horse farm in a book and they let me know which ones they like the best ,then i use that info to pick out the pictures for the year book. One rider(a 14 year old )always jumps well and i noted that she really liked one from the yearend Championships.I , like a fool,put that one in the book. Well i published the book and gave everyone there copies late Nov.She took a look at her picture and burst into tears.Why did Dave use this one,its the worst one of all year Everyone else loved it,including her coach. I did not feel like doing book number 4 next season and that just went to convince me not to. I share your pain,my friend Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Hypothetical Question
Since my usage went from an sp500 to an MV to ZX-7 to an MZ-S I'm not really knowledgeable enough to compare. I didn't use many of the older cameras folks here rave about. I do like the feel of the SP500 over the ZX-7 but not the MZ-S. My question is this: Could Pentax actually use this list for advice and stay in business? We may be too eclectic a group to be a good source of market research. We still argue over the PZ-1p vs the MZ-S. Many here don't even want autofocus. I think if Pentax had made good marketing/economic decisions the F100 would have Pentax on the prism housing. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My LX is back from Colorado.
I am still trying to catch up with all the posts - serves me right for not looking at the mail while spending the weekend in Clearwater, Florida. It was down to a manageable number, but I see with last night's activity it is back over 200. Anyway, as the subject line states LX number 5 was awaiting me upon my return. If you recall, it was the first LX I have ever handled that showed the 'sticky mirror' problem. It is not exhibiting it now. The bill was $146. I will be taking it out for a spin this weekend. I recall sending it out the middle of October with a note. It took about two months - I have to see when I approved the work though. And they returned the note I sent. I do not have the paperwork in front of me, but when I report on the condition of the camera I will let you know what it states. I remember it being very generic. As a side note, I picked up some slides I shot in central Florida with the MZ-S. It was just roll # 150 through the camera. I guess I really do enjoy using the LXen. I have made many a trip with just a few of those in tow... César Panama City, Florida P.S. H, should #5 be reskinned
Re: Can I cry now?
Which is never work for friends. Well, we all have to learn this sometime grin. If it is not a friend, how you handle it is send them of a note: This is going to cost $X, please initial and return. Nobody feels comfortable doing that with friends, so we wind up eating the costs. Boy, do I remember my introduction into that though it was decades ago! The only way I will do photography for friends is as a gift. Take what I give you, and shut up grin. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, yeah, I know the moral of this story. *sigh*
Re: Re: Whew....
That was my biggest problem doing horse shows proffesionally.The heat and sun was a killer for me. At least when i'm there as barn rep,i can sit down under a tree,have a beer etcg Dave Begin Original Message From: Shaun Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:02:54 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Whew Don't know about the -27c stuff Don, but my cameras don't like working in anything over 35c. Not because of cameras failing in the heat...the photographer starts to fail once it gets hot, unless I can shoot from the bar of the local air-conditioned pub. I live down south now where it's not quite as hot as where I grew up (which was central NSW)...out near 'Hay, Hell and Booligal'...(first and last are real places, not sure about the middle one until you have been to either of the other two at somewhere over 45c in the shade. Cheers Shaun Dr E D F Williams wrote: Let us know if your cameras work in very low temperatures. My P30t does very well down to -27C. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Ronald Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Whew HI, I'm new to the list but listened in for awhile. Hot sounds great but my ideal Xmas is actually what I'm going to do next week, going home to YES the Arctic Circle and enjoy cold clear nights with Aurora Borealis, skiing and photography using my pentax stuff and MF camera. WHere is home then, northern Sweden Scandinavia, lowest temperature record -52 C, expect to have down to about -30C now, enjoyable is down to -25 C, and the spit doesn''t freeze before hiting ground in sub -40C temperature (believe it or not but its true). Cheers, Happy Xmas and photographing Ronald . -- ++ ++ Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services High Street, Broadford, Victoria, 3658. www.heritageservices.com.au/ Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096 ++ ++ End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Hypothetical Question taken further
Dear Sir: To support the upcoming Pentax DSLR release, I enclose $50___$100 $6000__ Please send me the free T-Shirt and my PDML membership for the next year. best, mishka From: Brad Dobo Subject: Hypothetical Question taken further... Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:51:11 -0800 --- (...) If we don't buy all the latest and greatest from Pentax, how can we expect them to develop for us, a DSLR. We'd be the ones with the want and money to buy one. But Pentax needs money and a reason to develop and manufacture and sell worldwide a DSLR. Are we, in general terms, helping them do that?
Re: Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
Steve. Just something to judge by.Local Henrys has a Non MLU 6x7 standard prism,and a Takumar 90mm f2.8? in the display case all year and they want $1600 Can(about $1000.00 US) I look at it but dont have $1600 spare:) Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: SMC Takumar 135/2.5
On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 12:20, Fred wrote: Fred wrote: F [The SMC K 135/2.5 is on the left, while the Takumar Bayonet F 135/2.5 is on the right.] Fred, Unfortunately I was referring to the SMC K 135/2.5 . :o( The front lens diameter as it appeared to my limited measuring capabilities is around 52mm, that translates to an aperture of 2.6 or so. Worse even - the meter agrees. Hi, Alin. I see. You know, before sending my post (that you quoted), I tried to find an older post of mine, where I had stated my measurements, but I couldn't find it, so I'll have to measure again. I do remember that the SMC K seemed a little smaller than f/2.5 (by measuring and calculating), and that the Tak Bayonet was smaller still. Hmmm... OK, where are those lenses... Well, here's what I just measured and calculated: SMC K 135/2.5 : 52mm front element diameter - f/2.6 Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 : 49mm front element diameter - f/2.8 Of course, I would probably come up with slightly different measurements each time I tried to measure them (since I don't have a measuring caliper), and I'm also assuming that both lenses truly have 135mm FL's. On the theoretical side, it has been pointed out here before that the entrance pupil of a lens is not necessarily equal to the clear diameter of its front element, but I myself just can't see how a 135/2.5 lens could ever have a front element diameter less than 54mm and still be an f/2.5 lens. The FL is probably a bit shorter than 135mm, giving a boost to the relative aperture. According to photodo, the real FL of the new FA 135/2.8 is 130mm, and coincidentally 130mm / 52mm = exactly 2.5. -Scott
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Re: 24/2.8K (was: Re: Re: K35/3.5 K35/2 M35/2.8 (was: Who has switched...=
))?= Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: onet.poczta Thanks! I just wonder if A24/2.8 is better or not. If using with modern bodies it pays to buy A version since advanced metering is available. Alek Uytkownik Paul Franklin Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: I agree with Jonathan on all his points, especially regarding the 24/2.8K's contrast and saturation. Back in 2000, I believe, I voted the SMC 24/2.8K my favorite lens, adding that it makes me look like a better photographer than I am. Yesterday I mentioned that I sold it, and my Zenitar 20/2.5K, when I decided to compromise on a Carl Zeiss Jena 20/2.8K whose real focal length appears to be 22mm. Parting was painful, but happily the winning bidder lived in Hong Kong, where, he said, he was unable to find the 24/2.8K. I was happy I could transfer it to a happy new owner. Alek wrote: How do you assess K24/2.8 lens? Jonathan Donald replied: I have not done technical tests of any of my lenses, but my impressions and observations of this lens under real world use are as follows: Under magnification, it is not as sharp wide open in the corners as my K 5/3.5, (albeit 2.8 vs. 3.5). I imagine that this trend continues if examined under a microscope, but I find it to be visually very sharp at f4 and above. This is complimented by the fact that it has very nice, brilliant, color rendition and a ton of contrast. The images ~look~ very crisp with fine detail. I am also amazed at how resistent to flare this lens is. It usually exhibits those little repeating pentagons (ghosting I guess) under really bad lighting angles but dosen't tend to flare with the bright haze that ruins the whole image. I have used it a number of times to make diffraction sun-stars and the like with excellent results. Lens tests aside, I love this lens and consider it to be an awesome 24mm. I would not trade it for the FA* 24/2 because of the weight difference and fine build quality and feel of the K 24mm. It is easy to hyperfocal, and generally fast enough for most situations. It is my favorite wide angle, and probably my most used lens. Period. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Today in the History of Photography
On this day in 1839, an American chemistry professor named John William Draper took a photograph of the moon with a camera made out of a cigar box. He used a process like Daguerre's, but he came up with it by himself; Daguerre hadn't made his invention public yet. The plate was exposed for twenty minutes, and the image was one inch across. It was the first time anyone in the U.S. tried to take a picture of something in the sky. From the Writer's Almanac, http://almanac.mpr.org
Synchro Terminal with Solder Lug
I've talked to some other photographers about this that know way more about the equipment and using it than I do, but don't seem to know their equipment on this level. I have a project going that involves firing multiple cheap, used, manual flashes. It could be ten of them, if I get that many flash units. So I'm building a box with semiconducting switches that will trigger on the camera's PC socket. But I need synchro terminals to attach the flashes to. I got some from Pentax, the sort on the K1000 since that's the camera I have, it was the only brand I could think to name when they asked me. But the signal terminal is a screw with the socket at the other end. A very small screw in a small plastic plug. The connection in the camera is made with a spring-loaded pin pressed against the screw head, but that's not going to work out easily for me. So what synchro terminal has solder lugs? It doesn't need to be Pentax. And to preemptively answer the question that's inevitably asked when I bring this up, I don't want to use optical slaves because they cost $15 each, and because they would have to fire on reflected light, which means I'm not going to get any extra range that way.
Re: Hypothetical Question
In theory, I prefer my manual focus cameras, especially my Spotmatics, two of which still work, and my Non-MLU 6x7, or my SuperProgram, when I need a camera with a motor drive, to set up on the tripod and trigger with a long cable. My eyesight has faded a bit with age, however, so when I'm on vacation or at an event, when I need to take the shots more quickly, I usually take my MZ-5, because the autofocus helps a lot.
Re: My LX is back from Colorado.
- Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip P.S. H, should #5 be reskinned Definitely. And gold-plate it while you are at it. ;-) Christian
Re: Hypothetical Question taken further
To support the upcoming Pentax DSLR release, I enclose $50___$100 $6000__ Please send me the free T-Shirt and my PDML membership for the next year. That had better be a 14 Mp T-shirt for $6K . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hypothetical Question
My question is this: Could Pentax actually use this list for advice and stay in business? We may be too eclectic a group to be a good source of market research. We still argue over the PZ-1p vs the MZ-S. Many here don't even want autofocus. This is pretty much what I was wondering about when I wrote the original Hypothetical Question. People here wonder whether Pentax monitors this list (they do), and whether they listen to our advice when advising Japan about product development...I don't know whether they do that or not, but I have to wonder if it would be productive if they did. I know that one Pentax person has told me privately that despite all the gushing and lauding of the LX on this list, even diehards weren't buying new LX's at the end of its lifespan. Most were buying used, or were using LXen purchased many years previously. Some of the comments about a digital SLR would probably be of value to them, especially from the perspective of not alienating longtime Pentax aficionados. But of course that's only going to be one consideration out of many in the design and concept of the new camera. We're only a few months away now...the Pentax DSLR is coming, --Mike
Re: Hypothetical Question
Thing I like about the Pentax system is not having to choose ... I wouldn't want to lose either my LX or my ZX-5n. I think I use both about equally.
Re: Re: Hypothetical Question
So we will see what happens! I think Pentax knows that many users sticks to them since they have great compatibility. But not many people start with Pentax since they have no silent and ultra fast quit cheap motors and plenty of gear not mentioning that sale assistants usual advise new buyers to choose Canon/Nikon. Moreover, some people want to use gear which is used by pros. So we will see. Alek Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Uytkownik Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: My question is this: Could Pentax actually use this list for advice and stay in business? We may be too eclectic a group to be a good source of market research. We still argue over the PZ-1p vs the MZ-S. Many here don't even want autofocus. This is pretty much what I was wondering about when I wrote the original Hypothetical Question. People here wonder whether Pentax monitors this list (they do), and whether they listen to our advice when advising Japan about product development...I don't know whether they do that or not, but I have to wonder if it would be productive if they did. I know that one Pentax person has told me privately that despite all the gushing and lauding of the LX on this list, even diehards weren't buying new LX's at the end of its lifespan. Most were buying used, or were using LXen purchased many years previously. Some of the comments about a digital SLR would probably be of value to them, especially from the perspective of not alienating longtime Pentax aficionados. But of course that's only going to be one consideration out of many in the design and concept of the new camera. We're only a few months away now...the Pentax DSLR is coming, --Mike
Re: Re: New Pentax DSLR With Exising K Mount
Hadn't thought about the data-rate difference, hu... At 05:20 PM 12/18/2002 +1100, you wrote: Woa Peter, That was a long time ago. I had dual 8 floppies on my home brew computer. The data rate is twice that of the 5 1/4. Give me a proto board, a WD 1791, a handful of manuals (actually, I think it could be easier to implement through the parallel port) . NO, don't get me going on that stuff again!! Bob - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: RE: Re: New Pentax DSLR With Exising K Mount I think you can. The cable connections might need a bit of work and you might have to write a driver but there should be no impediment beyond that. (Then again I used to regularly write hardware drivers). At 05:37 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: Alas, I would like to be able to use 8-inch floppy disks with my PC but I cannot. ;-) Len --- In fact Alek, I was serious. I would like to be able to use older screw mount lenses on a DSLR! Andre
Re: Re[2]: Beards? Non.
Sorry I wasn't being that articulate. At 12:27 PM 12/18/2002 +0200, you wrote: Argh! -- is spelt like this. And the pronunciation is very important ... best heard in good curry restaurants. The Taj Mahal, on George Street, Richmond, Surrey, round the corner from the bridge, is a good place to hear authentic 'arghs'. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re[2]: Beards? Non. RGG. At 10:40 PM 12/16/2002 +, you wrote: Hi, Monday, December 16, 2002, 8:08:00 PM, you wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Pat White wrote: Have you seen Kenny Rogers' large-format work? It's pretty good! No, but I've seen Leonard Nimoy's 35mm work. Dr. Who uses an Auto 110, but when you open the back it's like a 6x7. Amazing. Does some great time exposures. --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia
Re: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri
- Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: Re: April 2003 PUG and conrect attri Jostein wrote: Glen, great ideas. Maybe more of a challenge to us who have English as second or third language, but still,... -Time to sit down and think, then. :-) Jostein Well, do a cliche from your own language :) But the photo cliches are universal, non? annsan Ann, Just read your other re: to Glen, and think your point is well made that Glen's idea is somewhat on the sideline of photographic clichés. Not sure if photographic clichés are universal, though. Photographic trends tend to become clichés after a while, but are certainly not global or even universal. :-) Jostein
Re[2]: Hypothetical Question
I have to agree with Steve here. Companies only survive by selling new things. A follow on used market doesn't really make them much money. So, if most of us are happy with older gear, Pentax would have nothing to sell and would have to fold. They could have followed Olympus to the grave by continuing to make and sell basically the MX/E and LX type cameras, tried to compete head on with Canon and Nikon (PZ-1p) or find some other niche. Not a particularly fun place to be as a company. The niche is sort of working. It allows them to be number 4 in a market of 4 players. The future digital world may have some changes in store - how they capitalize on it remains to be seen. Anyway, the glory days of the mechanical world are pretty much gone...and not just for cameras. Bruce Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 5:50:25 AM, you wrote: SD Since my usage went from an sp500 to an MV to ZX-7 to an MZ-S I'm not SD really knowledgeable enough to compare. I didn't use many of the older SD cameras folks here rave about. I do like the feel of the SP500 over the SD ZX-7 but not the MZ-S. SD My question is this: Could Pentax actually use this list for advice SD and stay in business? We may be too eclectic a group to be a good SD source of market research. We still argue over the PZ-1p vs the MZ-S. SD Many here don't even want autofocus. I think if Pentax had made good SD marketing/economic decisions the F100 would have Pentax on the prism SD housing. SD Steven Desjardins SD Department of Chemistry SD Washington and Lee University SD Lexington, VA 24450 SD (540) 458-8873 SD FAX: (540) 458-8878 SD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whew....
Cross cultural pun. At 07:48 PM 12/18/2002 +1100, you wrote: Wrong type of thongs Peter!!! Cheers Shaun Peter Alling wrote: Well he did mention thongs. At 01:06 AM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Victoria... Secret? Now, as far as the second part of the question goes, I guess i better shut up. Best, Mishka From: Pat White Subject: Re: Whew Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:44:31 -0800 I notice you're in Victoria, Australia. Here in Victoria, Canada, it's 10C, windy and rainy. Is there a third Victoria, and are there any PDMLers there? Pat White . -- Shaun Canning Cultural Heritage Services High Street, Broadford, Victoria, 3658. www.heritageservices.com.au/ Phone: 0414-967644 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My images can be seen at www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=238096
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Re: OT: Can I cry now?
I guess it's time to crawl into bed and see whether any of the shows I taped while I was at rehearsal are interesting enough to take my mind off this situation so I can sleep. Glenn, Now you know why so many professional photographers refuse to deal with the public. g --Mike
Re: Hypothetical question
I would use the camera that suits my needs. Kids: can't cope without autofocus MZ-5 Birds - hummingbirds e.g., give me an MZ-S Travel photo into poorer areas: take my cheapest ME or whatever Otherwise: LX Blowups and high quality pictures: Medium Format As written here before - what is good quality is subjective and sometimes a perfect picture with the cheapest of pentax lenses my render a fantastic photo. Sorry: I wouldn't use screw mount simply because I use single focal lengths and they are too slow to exchnage on the camera. Cheers, Ronald
Re: Hypothetical Question
Find an old Encyclopedia Britannica published around 1890, it contains detailed instructions on the chemical basics to make your own nitrate based film, you will have to adopt the nitrocellulose film stock from the explosive's section however, (well nothing's perfect I guess). At 11:02 PM 12/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: Well, I don't have a lot of experience to speak from, but I do have both the K-1000 and MZ-5n now. Both camera bodies have pluses and minuses. Neither is exactly what I want. But considering the fact that I lost a lot of shots with the K-1000 because cranking the film to advance it for the next shot took too long, or I missed a shot because I setting the exposure took too long, or I missed a shot because focusing took too long -- well, I'd have to go with the modern camp. But if I was traveling in a third world country where I wanted real reliability, I'd take the K-1000 along. And if the world ended (like in a nuclear war), then I'd want the K-1000 because I could still use it even if I couldn't find a lithium battery anywhere. Course then, I'd still have to be able to find film that had not been x-rayed to death. Reminds me somehow of that old Twilight Zone episode with Burgess Meredith. Actually, somehow the whole question reminds me of that. Later, Doe aka Marnie Hehehe.
Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose?
The actual diameter of a transmission microscope ocular tube is one inch (25.4 mm). The microscope adaptors are made to fit tubes from about 25,0 to 26,0 mm in diameter. They utilise a collet that closes down on the tube. Tubes vary slightly, but the big names - Zeiss, Leitz, Wild (Wild belongs to Leitz now) are usually the same - 25,4 mm. The ocular tubes of stereo microscopes are 33 mm in diameter so the K adaptor would be useless. Very good pictures indeed can be taken with stereo microscopes. It is quite practical to attach a camera directly to one of them with a phototube; but not to a transmission instrument - if you want decent pictures. If we are to go on with this, its going to be a rather long and way off topic. The camera itself plays a rather minor role in this work. I've found a picture of my very first photomicrographic equipment in the Encyclopaedia of Southern Africa where there is an article I wrote on protozoa in 1970. The equipment is more or less like that I expect you envisage using. But perhaps this should be continued off-list? Unless there are more people interested. I don't know how we can show the picture unless I email it to those who want it, or post it. But in any case it still has to be scanned. Don Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose? Hi, Don wrote: The K wouldn't fit anyway, it is made for 26 mm tubes. 25mm I suppose there are some optics involved. None in mine. It is just an adaptor with a K mount at one end and a clamp tube at the other. From the manual: As a binocular microscope has two lens tubes, slanted towards the object, no camera, can take photographs ... because the resulting images will be blurred. Used by itself, the Adaptor K will give images approximately one third of the microscope enlargement on film. It can be used with extensions or bellows to give images up to the full enlargement size on film but this necessitates using some form of camera bracing to ensure stability. Enlargements over x600 are not recommended for the adaptor. To return to the header topic; another source of microscopes might be a local educational establishment. It is possible it might loan you a suitable 'scope in return for some slides/prints. mike
Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
Hi Steve... I've just started tracking prices on eBay for my own purchase and 6x7 MLU bodies (w/o lenses or accessories) sell for $250 to $400 depending on condition. Grips go for around $60 to $90, TTL prisms for $150 to $200, and non-metered prisms for about $100. I haven't tallied up the lenses yet. I'm not looking at the 67 or 67 II bodies as they're much more expensive. Camera shop prices seem to roughly be 1.5x higher, but then you're probably getting something that's been tested, has a guarantee, and is returnable if you're not satisfied. Also, if you're up to it, the price can always be negotiated. t On 12/17/02 10:46 PM, Steve Pearson wrote: Chris: I did look at sold items on ebay. I just can't tell what the going prices are for 6x7 equipment. KEH prices look like around $400, just for the lens! Bodies start around $800. Another current auction on ebay has the lens at $395 for a buy it now price. I don't know the variations of bodies lenses well enough, but I sure appreciate your help. --- Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Steve Pearson wrote: OK, I'm giving serious thought to this: [snip] Is it a good deal? Once you see it, promise you won't buy it out from me :) Sounds a bit high for one with the unmetered finder. Try a search under eBay's recently completed auctions if you're wondering about prices: http://pages.ebay.com/search/items/search_completed.html chris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: more on ghostless coating [quite long]
Dear PDML memebers! Sorry for polish text! And for you Sylwek thanks for the answer. I asked about LX since I wrote somewhere that production costs of it were very high and probably made losses! I wonder if now Pentax makes profit. Of course they are strong in MF but what about slr? No pro camera, no lenses which are bought by pros so that is why I ask about it. Probably not many people buy 80-200/2.8 which is very expensive and has no motor sth like USM, AF-S etc. They MUST introduce sth new to find new clients, since now salesmen usually advice them to buy Canon/Nikon because of not the good optics but because these brands has above technologies and IS, VR! And everyone can see that pros use Canon/Nikon gear (sport,journalists etc). I just wonder if Pentax is able to give some journalists in future pro cameras+lenses just for advertisement Alek Uytkownik Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa: Hi, I have used babelfish to translate Japanese Pentax pages and found very interesting translation of on-line lenses catalogue. Below links may break, so you may have to put them together: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_sz.html%23sz -faz24f35-90f45lp=ja_entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_tz.html%23tz -faz100f47-300f58lp=ja_entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=urlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.pentax.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_t.htm llp=ja_en http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_m.htmllp=ja _entt=url http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?tt=urlurl=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.pentax.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_s.htm llp=ja_en http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.penta x.co.jp%2Fjapan%2Fproduct%2Fcamera%2Flense%2F35_spec%2F35_siyou_w.htmllp=ja _entt=url Just look at lenses descriptions. It seems that ghostless coating is applied to almost every new lens produced after 199x (?)!!! So here we have not only Limiteds, but also new FA 35/2, FA* 200/4 Macro and even cheap long zooms like FA 100-300/4.7-5.8 and 80-320/4.5-5.6. Those lenses with ghostless coating seems to be newer than the other and so it is no random mentioning of normal SMC... What do you think? It seems that it is true, so Bojidar's page should be updated than, and of course we could look at newer lenses (even cheap ones) as better (in terms of multicoating) then older ones. That made me think how many other mysteries could be solved if they only had english version of their original site... -- Best Regards Sylwek
RE: buying a K2 and a KX, advice?
Cotty, That has got to be the funniest thing I have read on this list... Message count down to 166 Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:11 PM -- To: Pentax List -- Subject: Re: buying a K2 and a KX, advice? -- -- -- Now I have to unsubscribe again, caus my woman thinks this (very -- enjoyable) mailing list costs me too much time (time she -- wants me to spend -- with her). -- -- I asked my 'woman' if she'd like to fool around the other -- night, and she -- told me to go read the PDML. -- -- True. -- -- Cotty --
Re: Hypothetical Question taken further
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 09:05 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: To support the upcoming Pentax DSLR release, I enclose $50___$100 $6000__ Please send me the free T-Shirt and my PDML membership for the next year. That had better be a 14 Mp T-shirt for $6K . . . To support the upcoming Pentax DSLR release, I enclose Best Wishes $50___$100 $6000__ Please send me the free T-Shirt and my PDML membership for the next year. Dan Scott g
Re: Can't send photo to pug
Have you tried to submit via Web?
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Re: My LX is back from Colorado.
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Christian Skofteland wrote: - Original Message - From: Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip P.S. H, should #5 be reskinned Definitely. And gold-plate it while you are at it. ;-) Christian Gold plate? Aaack. Too, too tacky. Have it repainted to go with the new leathers. A nice white pearlescent finish would be very cool, and you'd probably have the only one in the world. Dan Scott
my kit
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb, I'm curious about the type of equipment you use. It appears that to do the outdoors/landscape stuff you might be doing a considerable amount of hiking and such. What do you consider a reasonable type of kit for your type of work? Thanks for sharing, Bruce obviously, what i carry depends on what i am going to do, so i will have to describe that too since i carry different kits depending on how long i think i have to carry it and how far away from home i am going to be. it also depends on whether main point of trip is photography or not and how much other gear i have to carry. i haven't gotten to the point where i have a regular partner coming on trips who is willing to carry some of my gear in addition to all theirs so that i can bring more camera equipment. for short to medium day trips up to perhaps 8 miles in the summer and 5 miles in the winter over moderate terrain, i'll carry my full kit. that means my Nikon digital camera with its wide angle accessory lens, spare battery for it, and, if i think there is going to be good wide panorama possibilities, my Kaidan VR pan head with its levels and protractor and add the fisheye adapter to shoot 180 degree full frame images. my film side is my ZX-5n with the FA 24-90, FA 50 Macro, FA* 24, Sigma 15-30, FA* 80-200, and Tamron 2X extender. right now, i am shooting almost exclusively Provia 100F and i bring about 8-10 rolls of it depending on how much i think i might run into. if the day is low contrast, i replace many of them with Velvia. my filter set is a skylight and polarizer to fit my main lenses. only the macro doesn't have anything right now and i both don't use it that much and haven't got around to buying an adapter ring to fit the larger sized filters. the FA* 24 and FA 24-90 take the same filter size and i have most of my filters for them. i keep an ND8 and an ND1000 filter in the kit for the waterfall shots. i also have a Cokin P filter for my gradient ND filter. i only have one right now and plan to get some more. if i think there is a need, i'll bring my Super Program body with a second type of film in it, usually Velvia or else something ISO 400. i rarely bring a second body though and i really would like to make it another AF body if i could. i use a Velbon Chaser-4A tripod with a Velbon 253 ball head. it's good light tripod but one day i will replace the legs with a CF set and the head is barely adequate for the weight of the FA* 80-200, so that will need replacing too. however, i want to stay under 4lb if i can because it's a long way to go carrying 2 extra pounds. i have one of those beanbag things with a tripod thread in it. i use the remote release a lot, so that's in there. then there is cleaning stuff and spare batteries. all this fits into/onto a LowePro Rover AW backpack with several accessory pouches. total weight is not quite 30 lbs, then i add lunch, water, spare jacket, Swiss Army knife, flashlights, and it gets to be around 40 lbs. moderate terrain to me means nothing i have to climb using my hands, less than 2000 ft elevation gain, and nothing tricky to cross, like a swamp. i'm a small guy and 40 lbs is a lot for me to carry. that plus i sometimes do off trail stuff and that means a GPS unit too. any day trip longer or more difficult, i'll switch to my regular hiking backpack and cut down a lot. i drop down to the digital camera with the wide angle adapter and spare battery. i'll bring the ZX-5n body with the FA 24-90 and the FA* 24 and have the skylight and polarizer filters. i have a very light Cullman compact tripod and the beanbag. extra water and safety gear occupies the other space. if i really think i need it, i try to make room for my 80-200 and strap a cheaper but more normal size tripod onto the pack. the one i used to use broke when i fell on it on a recent hike, so i don't have that anymore. it will have to be replaced. i should get one of the lesser expensive 80-200s to cut weight. if i do, then i would bring it more often. if i really think that the weight will matter, i will drop the FA* 24. these are the two kits i use when i know i am going somewhere mainly to photograph. if photography isn't the main activity, all i will have with me is my digital with the wide angle adapter and a spare battery. i might bring the Cullman compact tripod if i think we're going to want a group picture. some hikes i go on with groups like that. the only multiday hiking trips i have done recently have been before i got back into film. they were done digitally. in the gap between when wasn't using an SLR anymore, i had a Pentax 35-90 WR PS i used for while. then i switched to digital. it's only when i started getting inquiries about using my photos for magazines and newspapers did i decide to resurrect my 35mm film equipment, decided it was inadequate, and upgraded to AF stuff. all of the AF film gear i have described is at most a year old to me. for what i do,
Re: Hypothetical Question
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People here wonder whether Pentax monitors this list (they do), and whether they listen to our advice when advising Japan about product development...I don't know whether they do that or not, but I have to wonder if it would be productive if they did. Now *that's* an interesting question! Having been involved in a little market research years ago, I'd say that it *would* be productive as long as they avoided the most fanatical (and most outspoken) Pentax devotees as far as specific ideas/suggestions go. Newbies (to Pentax and/or photography) are likely to be the most valuable source of information from a marketing standpoint. The PDML might be viewed in aggregate to evaluate general perceptions and trends. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: my kit
I have only one camera. My kit is like this MZ-5n, FA 50mm/2.8 Macro, FA 100mm/2.8 Macro, A 24mm/2.8. LowePro Nova 4 bag. Two 52mm Polarizers and one 58mm Polarizers. One Cokin Square Nuetral Graduated Filter(must for landscape), one Cokin Square Tobacco filter(overcast landscapes), one Cokin Square 81B filter. Slik700DX tripod. Ramesh -Original Message- From: Lon Williamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: my kit If I'm not serious, I take an Olympus XA and make do. About the size of a pack of cigarettes, the only camera I ever bought new for myself, and the only non-Pentax I own. BTW, wifey is now in possession of a new ZX-L to complement her ZX-M and ZX-30. Unlike _most_ of you cheapskate boogers here, our family SUPPORTS Pentax. grin. At least for _her_ purchases. She'll see the new AF360 under the tree come Christmas, too. -Lon, who is a cheapskate booger Herb Chong wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb, I'm curious about the type of equipment you use. It appears that to do the outdoors/landscape stuff you might be doing a considerable amount of hiking and such. What do you consider a reasonable type of kit for your type of work? Thanks for sharing, Bruce obviously, what i carry depends on what i am going to do, so i will have to describe that too since i carry different kits depending on how long i think i have to carry it and how far away from home i am going to be. it also depends on whether main point of trip is photography or not and how much other gear i have to carry. i haven't gotten to the point where i have a regular partner coming on trips who is willing to carry some of my gear in addition to all theirs so that i can bring more camera equipment. for short to medium day trips up to perhaps 8 miles in the summer and 5 miles in the winter over moderate terrain, i'll carry my full kit. that means my Nikon digital camera with its wide angle accessory lens, spare battery for it, and, if i think there is going to be good wide panorama possibilities, my Kaidan VR pan head with its levels and protractor and add the fisheye adapter to shoot 180 degree full frame images. my film side is my ZX-5n with the FA 24-90, FA 50 Macro, FA* 24, Sigma 15-30, FA* 80-200, and Tamron 2X extender. right now, i am shooting almost exclusively Provia 100F and i bring about 8-10 rolls of it depending on how much i think i might run into. if the day is low contrast, i replace many of them with Velvia. my filter set is a skylight and polarizer to fit my main lenses. only the macro doesn't have anything right now and i both don't use it that much and haven't got around to buying an adapter ring to fit the larger sized filters. the FA* 24 and FA 24-90 take the same filter size and i have most of my filters for them. i keep an ND8 and an ND1000 filter in the kit for the waterfall shots. i also have a Cokin P filter for my gradient ND filter. i only have one right now and plan to get some more. if i think there is a need, i'll bring my Super Program body with a second type of film in it, usually Velvia or else something ISO 400. i rarely bring a second body though and i really would like to make it another AF body if i could. i use a Velbon Chaser-4A tripod with a Velbon 253 ball head. it's good light tripod but one day i will replace the legs with a CF set and the head is barely adequate for the weight of the FA* 80-200, so that will need replacing too. however, i want to stay under 4lb if i can because it's a long way to go carrying 2 extra pounds. i have one of those beanbag things with a tripod thread in it. i use the remote release a lot, so that's in there. then there is cleaning stuff and spare batteries. all this fits into/onto a LowePro Rover AW backpack with several accessory pouches. total weight is not quite 30 lbs, then i add lunch, water, spare jacket, Swiss Army knife, flashlights, and it gets to be around 40 lbs. moderate terrain to me means nothing i have to climb using my hands, less than 2000 ft elevation gain, and nothing tricky to cross, like a swamp. i'm a small guy and 40 lbs is a lot for me to carry. that plus i sometimes do off trail stuff and that means a GPS unit too. any day trip longer or more difficult, i'll switch to my regular hiking backpack and cut down a lot. i drop down to the digital camera with the wide angle adapter and spare battery. i'll bring the ZX-5n body with the FA 24-90 and the FA* 24 and have the skylight and polarizer filters. i have a very light Cullman compact tripod and the beanbag. extra water and safety gear occupies the other space. if i really think i need it, i try to make room for my 80-200 and strap a cheaper but more normal size tripod onto the pack. the one i used to use broke when i fell on it on a recent hike, so i don't have that anymore. it will have to be
Re: my kit
I did the buying (not paying) of the two things under my Christmas tree. I hope someone has decided to surprise me and put an AF-140C under the tree too! Or a DVD-Writer... :) My Dad, Bushnell fanatic, is now seriously looking at getting a nice pair of Pentax binoculars (not the ill-fated digibino! g) BTW, wifey is now in possession of a new ZX-L to complement her ZX-M and ZX-30. Unlike _most_ of you cheapskate boogers here, our family SUPPORTS Pentax. grin. At least for _her_ purchases. She'll see the new AF360 under the tree come Christmas, too. -Lon, who is a cheapskate booger
MZ-S Focus Lock
I feel like a dummy asking this question, but: I just bought a MZ-S and I'll be damned if I can get the focus lock to work when recomposing the frame. Has anyone experienced the same problem, and if so, any tips? Thanks much. Robert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Whew....
Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not hot here. But I did just get back from a three-mile run at lunch. It got so I had to remove my shirt :-) It is only 21C/70F. It actually felt warmer. I ran about 9 miles last night - mostly tough hill repeats - in 30 degree (F) weather, which seemed plenty warm enough under the circumstances! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: MZ-S Focus Lock
-Original Message- From: Robert Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S Focus Lock I feel like a dummy asking this question, but: I just bought a MZ-S and I'll be damned if I can get the focus lock to work when recomposing the frame. Is the AF switch set to AF.C? Set it to AF.S. tv
Re: Hypothetical Question
If there was a modern Af camera that was built according to the same quality level as the LX and that was accordingly priced (hint: where I live the 31mm/1.8 ltd. lens is almost 4x as expensive as was the K-series 28mm/2), and if your only option was to buy new, what would you choose: this one or a cheap ZX/MZ-something plastic body? I think the market has already given the answer. Alexander, I don't think the market has given the answer because the market has not been given the actual choice. Yes, Pentax would rather build ZX-5's and ZX-7's, and this probably means that it thinks it can do so more profitably than it could build a camera such as you describe. But that doesn't mean that the market wouldn't support an AF LX if one were available. After all, Nikon sells plenty of F100s. Now speaking just for myself, I'd say that my tastes and requirements are so highly evolved that I probably wouldn't be interested in such a camera unless it had all the main features I'm personally looking for. Those are: 1. A 98% or 100% viewfinder with good snap for easy manual focusing 2. Quiet operation 3. Short shutter lag (i.e., good responsiveness) 4. Ability to use manual focus as well as AF lenses 5. Aperture-priority AE 6. AE lock 7. Non-resetting ISO 8. Diopter adjustment or add-on diopters 9. Moderate size and light to medium weight (say, up to 26 oz. or so) for decent portability 10. General straightforwardness of controls and ease of operation, and not too many extra controls and features confusing everything. I'd *certainly* be using an LX if only it had #2, and I'd probably be using an MZ-S if it had #1. The problem for a camera designer would be that in order to satisfy the top ten features lists of a LARGE number of photographers, they have to have a great deal of capability and it has to be very see-through, i.e., it couldn't be very confusing or feature-laden and it couldn't dictate the way it had to be used, but it would have to be able to satisfy ALL of any particular advanced photographer's wants. This is a very large order, and it's got to be damnably tough for a camera designer to accommodate. For instance, one thing I didn't list is flash capability or high sync speed, because I don't use flash and I don't give a damn about it. But it's very easy to anticipate that many, if not most, photographers would demand excellent flash capability. I haven't specified mirror lock-up or low vibration because I don't do closeup work or astrophotography. But for someone who did either of those things, those features would be mandatory. Slide photographers may not give a hoot for a 100% viewfinder; others would be very concerned with motor drive capability; landscape photographers may well not care about quiet operation; and the list goes on and on. What Abe Lincoln said really holds true here. You can satisfy some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't satisfy all of the people all of the time. No matter WHAT an AF LX would look like, there would still be people who would find fault with it, be disappointed with it, or loudly complain that it is missing the one essential feature they wanted. Designing cameras must be a pretty thankless task. --Mike
Re: Re: my kit
So far i have not bought any camera equipment this month,might actually save some money tooGList baaad :) Dave Begin Original Message From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did the buying (not paying) of the two things under my Christmas tree. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re[2]: Hypothetical Question
Mike, Until you got to #9, I thought you were describing the 67II (other than AF). Ok, ok, so it's not that quiet either. Seriously, if you pick one up and play with it, you'd think why isn't there an equivalent 35mm body just like this for sale? Bruce Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 12:07:19 PM, you wrote: snip MJ Now speaking just for myself, I'd say that my tastes and requirements are so MJ highly evolved that I probably wouldn't be interested in such a camera MJ unless it had all the main features I'm personally looking for. MJ Those are: MJ 1. A 98% or 100% viewfinder with good snap for easy manual focusing MJ 2. Quiet operation MJ 3. Short shutter lag (i.e., good responsiveness) MJ 4. Ability to use manual focus as well as AF lenses MJ 5. Aperture-priority AE MJ 6. AE lock MJ 7. Non-resetting ISO MJ 8. Diopter adjustment or add-on diopters MJ 9. Moderate size and light to medium weight (say, up to 26 oz. or so) for MJ decent portability MJ 10. General straightforwardness of controls and ease of operation, and not MJ too many extra controls and features confusing everything. MJ I'd *certainly* be using an LX if only it had #2, and I'd probably be using MJ an MZ-S if it had #1. MJ The problem for a camera designer would be that in order to satisfy the top MJ ten features lists of a LARGE number of photographers, they have to have a MJ great deal of capability and it has to be very see-through, i.e., it MJ couldn't be very confusing or feature-laden and it couldn't dictate the MJ way it had to be used, but it would have to be able to satisfy ALL of any MJ particular advanced photographer's wants. This is a very large order, and MJ it's got to be damnably tough for a camera designer to accommodate. MJ For instance, one thing I didn't list is flash capability or high sync MJ speed, because I don't use flash and I don't give a damn about it. But it's MJ very easy to anticipate that many, if not most, photographers would demand MJ excellent flash capability. I haven't specified mirror lock-up or low MJ vibration because I don't do closeup work or astrophotography. But for MJ someone who did either of those things, those features would be mandatory. MJ Slide photographers may not give a hoot for a 100% viewfinder; others would MJ be very concerned with motor drive capability; landscape photographers may MJ well not care about quiet operation; and the list goes on and on. MJ What Abe Lincoln said really holds true here. You can satisfy some of the MJ people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you MJ can't satisfy all of the people all of the time. MJ No matter WHAT an AF LX would look like, there would still be people who MJ would find fault with it, be disappointed with it, or loudly complain that MJ it is missing the one essential feature they wanted. Designing cameras must MJ be a pretty thankless task. MJ --Mike
Re: Hypothetical Question
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PDML might be viewed in aggregate to evaluate general perceptions and trends. One thing I'm saying is that we may _not_ be an accurate reflection of general perceptions and trends. We're an enthusiast group with very non-general attitudes and tastes. Just the fact that so many of us prefer older bodies and manual-focus lenses seems to bear that out. I think if you look at what we're *doing* as opposed to saying we're closer to mainstream than you might think ;-) It is, after all, the vocal members whom I suggested Pentax would ignore that are the biggest manual focus proponents. Look at how much discussion has been devoted to DSLRs, hardly a topic for manual focus purists. I think that if you filter out a few irrational rants you could see a trend toward consensus on DSLR issues: Pentax distinguishes itself from other brands with unsurpassed lens-body compatibility, so it's not surprising that this is regarded as essential in a DSLR body (and I think the PDML is an accurate representation that, thought it might not figure into a new user's decision to buy Pentax, that same person will appreciate it greatly *after* buying a Pentax). Another common feeling I detect is that a full-frame sensor is essential *eventually* (Canon has pretty much made that a given with the EOS-1Ds - have you read the reviews at Luminous Landscape or http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1ds/ yet?), but most would accept a smaller sensor now if the price is reasonable (under $2000.00 or so). Another - accurate, I think - impression you get from the PDML is that Pentax needs a DSLR not so much for the people who would buy it but for the people who fear that Pentax will be left behind if they don't introduce one. So for SLR users, I think the PDML (with judicious filtering) is closer to mainstream than commonly perceived. That said, isn't the bulk of Pentax's camera sales PS now? So you're probably right and I guess you can pretty much ignore everything I just wrote. :-P Carry on. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Hypothetical Question
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter WHAT an AF LX would look like, there would still be people who would find fault with it, be disappointed with it, or loudly complain that it is missing the one essential feature they wanted. Designing cameras must be a pretty thankless task. It's a pity the PDML didn't exist when the LX was introduced. It would have been interesting to read the inevitable complaints. -- People who like this sort of thing will find that this is the sort of thing they like. - Abe Lincoln
RE: Hypothetical Question
I hope they listen now. I would buy a 6MP CCD or CMOS DSLR and would not mind if the chip is APS sized. If they could manage a CMOS chip like the Foveon, with some enhancements over the one used in the Sigma SD-9, I'd be very happy. I don't need anything a lot larger than that. Keep the price $2200 or less and they've got me hooked. Len --- Some snippage for the guys reading the digest I hear they listened to the list on the MZ-D though. All you guys said you would never, pay that much for a camera. They believed you. Ciao, Graywolf
RE: Hypothetical Question
Personally although I love Pentax gear I am considering a move to C. I have done a lot of research on the EOS 1Ds and am really impressed with the images produced by the full frame CMOS sensor as well as the other features. So if Pentax is listening, my desire is for an 11 MP CMOS full frame sensor DSLR that can give me nearly the same quality as my 645n. If I do decide to move over I will be selling off all my Pentax gear in one fell swoop. I am already putting together a price list but want to sell it all in one transaction. Come on Pentax ... get it together. Glen -Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypothetical Question I hope they listen now. I would buy a 6MP CCD or CMOS DSLR and would not mind if the chip is APS sized. If they could manage a CMOS chip like the Foveon, with some enhancements over the one used in the Sigma SD-9, I'd be very happy. I don't need anything a lot larger than that. Keep the price $2200 or less and they've got me hooked. Len --- Some snippage for the guys reading the digest I hear they listened to the list on the MZ-D though. All you guys said you would never, pay that much for a camera. They believed you. Ciao, Graywolf
Re: MZ-S Focus Lock
Well, if you're using AFS, you need to keep pressure on the shutter release and recompose. As far as I know, the only way, other than focusing manually (or after AF, turning it to MF) and recomposing. I don't think there is any more to it. Could be wrong. Brad - Original Message - From: Robert Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: MZ-S Focus Lock I feel like a dummy asking this question, but: I just bought a MZ-S and I'll be damned if I can get the focus lock to work when recomposing the frame. Has anyone experienced the same problem, and if so, any tips? Thanks much. Robert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: MZ-S Focus Lock
- Original Message - From: Robert Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MZ-S Focus Lock I just bought a MZ-S and I'll be damned if I can get the focus lock to work when recomposing the frame. When I played with the MZ-S, I was dissapointed that its shutter release button does not feature a typical half-way depression. I'm used to this because of all the Pentax AF cameras I owned and own and I found the lack of it disturbing... The release button works more like the ones of the manual focus cameras (like say: Program A or Super A) although with more resistance and it was very easy for me to take accidental pictures as well as hard to use the focus lock technique. The AF button on the back can be helpful but nevertheless I don't think the lack of the half-way-depress position is the good idea even if I know that everything is the matter of habit. Regards Artur
Re: Hypothetical Question
1. A 98% or 100% viewfinder with good snap for easy manual focusing I really wanted #1 (or part of) for the MZ-S, but I was told that to get 100% it was expensive, like doubling the cost. I can see why Pentax didn't bother with it given their market. Too bad. Not sure what you mean by snap with manual focus. 7. Non-resetting ISO Can you explain this further and why it's a problem? No matter WHAT an AF LX would look like, there would still be people who would find fault with it, be disappointed with it, or loudly complain that it is missing the one essential feature they wanted. Designing cameras must be a pretty thankless task. So true. It no doubt is a very thankless task. I suppose that is why we have other companies to choose from. My worry is everyone is so pumped about a Pentax DSLR, and it won't be want they expected after all this time, or not quite good enough, or too good (making it too expensive) I also wanted one 'cheap' addition, dropping the finder cap and putting in a switch you can toggle to block the viewfinder. I didn't get that either. But, all in all, I'm very happy with my camera and the rest of my gear. --Mike
Re: Hypothetical Question
It's a pity the PDML didn't exist when the LX was introduced. It would have been interesting to read the inevitable complaints. Now that is really interesting
Re: my kit
- Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my kit I'm curious about the type of equipment you use. It appears that to do the outdoors/landscape stuff you might be doing a considerable amount of hiking and such. What do you consider a reasonable type of kit for your type of work? My typical kit is the Z-1p + SMC FA 28-105/4-5,6 + SMC F 70-210/4-5,6 + Mir 20/3,5 + Zenitar 16/2,8 Fisheye + AF500FTZ. When I want/need to play with manual focus I take the Super A and SMC A 28/2,8 + SMC A 50/1,7 instead of FA 28-105. If I want to travel really light or want to force myself to think more creatively about scenes I take the Super A + only one of the manual focus lenses Regards Artur
Re: RE: Hypothetical Question
Two thinks i like about the D1 even with the 80-200 f2.8 on it,is its well balanced even with the weight.The Pentax DSLR would have to ,for me,be aswell. Also the shutterlag is that of an slr,meaning its good for capturing high speed sports with out panning(not to say panning is badg) Just not sure how the CMOS works vs the CCD.I always associated CMOS as start up computer programing.I have seen the Canon 1D and it looks nice and its cheaper than the Dxx series from Nikon. Any CMOS commentsCotty? Dave Begin Original Message From: Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:56:27 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypothetical Question Personally although I love Pentax gear I am considering a move to C. I have done a lot of research on the EOS 1Ds and am really impressed with the images produced by the full frame CMOS sensor as well as the other features. So if Pentax is listening, my desire is for an 11 MP CMOS full frame sensor DSLR that can give me nearly the same quality as my 645n. If I do decide to move over I will be selling off all my Pentax gear in one fell swoop. I am already putting together a price list but want to sell it all in one transaction. Come on Pentax ... get it together. Glen -Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypothetical Question I hope they listen now. I would buy a 6MP CCD or CMOS DSLR and would not mind if the chip is APS sized. If they could manage a CMOS chip like the Foveon, with some enhancements over the one used in the Sigma SD- 9, I'd be very happy. I don't need anything a lot larger than that. Keep the price $2200 or less and they've got me hooked. Len --- Some snippage for the guys reading the digest I hear they listened to the list on the MZ-D though. All you guys said you would never, pay that much for a camera. They believed you. Ciao, Graywolf End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: my kit
Ok, maybe this is an oddity here. I don't own the number of lenses and bodies some do, but I have a fair amount of stuff now, and I carry it all in my Lowepro Trekker, with the tripod. All of it. Always. It's heavy and can be a hassle, but at least I won't get stuck saying, ^$%#!*, I needed that lens! Brad Oh, btw, I had a PZ-10 and a MZ-5n, but got rid of them. Now I am wanting a backup, or second body. Do I buy another MZ-S, or look for a PZ-1p, for the little extras like fps? - Original Message - From: Artur Ledóchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: Re: my kit - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my kit I'm curious about the type of equipment you use. It appears that to do the outdoors/landscape stuff you might be doing a considerable amount of hiking and such. What do you consider a reasonable type of kit for your type of work? My typical kit is the Z-1p + SMC FA 28-105/4-5,6 + SMC F 70-210/4-5,6 + Mir 20/3,5 + Zenitar 16/2,8 Fisheye + AF500FTZ. When I want/need to play with manual focus I take the Super A and SMC A 28/2,8 + SMC A 50/1,7 instead of FA 28-105. If I want to travel really light or want to force myself to think more creatively about scenes I take the Super A + only one of the manual focus lenses Regards Artur
Re: Advice for a microscope for photog. purpose?
Thanks Don. I'm a true beginner, so I should go on the WEB trying to get some basic instruction about microscopes, lighting etc. First of all what are your specimens going to be like. Sections of plants? Small solid objects? Seeds, shells, tiny animals, insects, Possibly all those. pollen grains (these are great, often having beautiful sculptured detail on the surface) Interesting... Very variable in size I guess. If you want to take pictures of small solid objects, say between 0,1 mm and 10 mm in size a stereo microscope would be suitable. The barrels of these instruments have a diameter of 33 mm - Leitz, Zeiss, Wild, Reichert, Olympus, Nikon and such, are all the same. Using a stereo microscope is much easier, you can use it to look at anything that will fit on the stage, or not if you have the right support. Limited transmission is also possible. Transmission means light passing through the specimen? But remember this - at final magnifications - more than about 5X you will have hardly any depth of field. There are ways around this problem, but all are very complicated and expensive. I'll live with litle depth of field... A Wild M1,a simple student instrument will give a range of magnifications from about 5X to 80X and be the most suitable for a start. You'd need good lights, at least two and a couple of reflectors perhaps. Any web site showing / explaining different products and settings, or names of eBay items? Most labs use halogen lamps with fibre optic light guides these days - expensive things. But tell us what you have in mind. If you don't know, as I didn't when I first started this at 15, it can be frustrating. I can do macro with bellows up to about 5x, so next step is going from 5x up. I don't need to go very far after that. I'd like to be able to show parts of plants, fibres' structure: wood, paper (with and without ink). for a few hundred you might get a nice instrument on eBay - a Wild or Leitz with a couple of sets of eyepieces and a magnification range of 5X to 250X. So this is a price without objectives? (I already have Mplan 5x and 10x.) Remember this though: the results will always be a bit disappointing. What you see with two eyes is always more impressive than a picture taken through one of the tubes. Because it is not stereo anymore... So I'll close one eye to loose the stereoscopic vision, a thing I often do while looking for a photograph. Andre --
RE: RE: Hypothetical Question
For a very impressive review including image comparisons of the EOS D1s and 35mm and 645 (buy the way he uses the Pentax 645) see this page below. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/1ds/1ds-field.shtml -Original Message- From: David Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Hypothetical Question Two thinks i like about the D1 even with the 80-200 f2.8 on it,is its well balanced even with the weight.The Pentax DSLR would have to ,for me,be aswell. Also the shutterlag is that of an slr,meaning its good for capturing high speed sports with out panning(not to say panning is badg) Just not sure how the CMOS works vs the CCD.I always associated CMOS as start up computer programing.I have seen the Canon 1D and it looks nice and its cheaper than the Dxx series from Nikon. Any CMOS commentsCotty? Dave Begin Original Message From: Glen O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:56:27 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypothetical Question Personally although I love Pentax gear I am considering a move to C. I have done a lot of research on the EOS 1Ds and am really impressed with the images produced by the full frame CMOS sensor as well as the other features. So if Pentax is listening, my desire is for an 11 MP CMOS full frame sensor DSLR that can give me nearly the same quality as my 645n. If I do decide to move over I will be selling off all my Pentax gear in one fell swoop. I am already putting together a price list but want to sell it all in one transaction. Come on Pentax ... get it together. Glen -Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hypothetical Question I hope they listen now. I would buy a 6MP CCD or CMOS DSLR and would not mind if the chip is APS sized. If they could manage a CMOS chip like the Foveon, with some enhancements over the one used in the Sigma SD- 9, I'd be very happy. I don't need anything a lot larger than that. Keep the price $2200 or less and they've got me hooked. Len --- Some snippage for the guys reading the digest I hear they listened to the list on the MZ-D though. All you guys said you would never, pay that much for a camera. They believed you. Ciao, Graywolf End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Hi, I am back!
For the last 5-6 weeks I have been to Estonia once a week (and once to Ventspils, Latvia) so I unsubscribed. Now I am back, with my grumpy self relatively unchanged. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
Re: my kit
Talking of presents and kit; I simply e-mailed hubby the url of the website I wanted him to buy from with instructions not to buy black or seethrough. UPS delivered the item yesterday. I'm not telling you what it is heeeheeeh. Wendy p.s. If you try to guess, I can confidently say that 99% of you will be totally WRONG! Begin Original Message From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did the buying (not paying) of the two things under my Christmas tree. --- Wendy Beard Mosaid Technologies Inc 11 Hines Rd, Kanata, Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada
Re: Hi, I am back!
- Original Message - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: Hi, I am back! For the last 5-6 weeks I have been to Estonia once a week (and once to Ventspils, Latvia) so I unsubscribed. Now I am back, with my grumpy self relatively unchanged. Not everyone on this list shows, or admit to, the same amount of knowledge about themselves. :-) Welcome back! Lasse
Re: Can I cry now?
I guess it's time to crawl into bed and see whether any of the shows I taped while I was at rehearsal are interesting enough to take my mind off this situation so I can sleep. Yeah, yeah, I know the moral of this story. *sigh* -- Glenn Never did shoot friends and charged them for it, never worked in the past probally never will. They expect too much and never know what they wan't check this out, just so's you don't feel too alone :) http://www.rodashford.co.uk/online2/quote.html
Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
No, I did not. I decided to let it go until I heard more responses from the group. My own fault. I was looking at up until about 11PM west coast I knew it would be sold by morning, east coast time. I checked it at 7:30AM it looks like it sold at 6:30AM, PST. Oh well, hopefully another one will come along! Thanks for everyone's help! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BIN was used, did you get it Steve? Dave OK, I'm giving serious thought to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3353item=1946358582rd=1 Is it a good deal? Once you see it, promise you won't buy it out from me :) Thanks for any input... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re[2]: my kit
Brad, Personal opinion, get a second MZ-S. The PZ-1p is such a totally different style of camera that it wouldn't make as comfortable a backup. Or sell your MZ-S and get two PZ-1p's. :) Bruce Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 1:25:26 PM, you wrote: snip BD Oh, btw, I had a PZ-10 and a MZ-5n, but got rid of them. Now I am wanting a BD backup, or second body. Do I buy another MZ-S, or look for a PZ-1p, for the BD little extras like fps?
Re[3]: Hypothetical Question
Not anymore. He sold it and it sounds like he'll sell his 67II and be done with film for good. Bruce Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 1:34:37 PM, you wrote: GON For a very impressive review including image comparisons of the EOS D1s and GON 35mm and 645 (buy the way he uses the Pentax 645) see this page below.
Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
Dan- Did you get it? --- Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 12:30 AM, Steve Pearson wrote: Is it a good deal? Once you see it, promise you won't buy it out from me :) Thanks for any input... How do you know we haven't been considering the same item ourselves? Dan Scott __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: SMC Takumar 135/2.5
My understanding of the formal way to measure aperture is that it is the ratio of the diameter of the _perceived_ aperture at the film plane to the focal length of the lens in use*, and is thus at least as dependent upon the effects of post-aperture elements on the bundle of rays which form the image, as upon the diameter of the front element. This is not to say that the diameter of the front element is irrelevant, just that you cannot expect to measure it to support arguments that a lens has an effective maximum aperture 4% smaller than it is rated. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia *Source: M. J. Langford, Basic Photography, Focal Press 1973 - Original Message - From: Scott Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Re: SMC Takumar 135/2.5 On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 12:20, Fred wrote: Fred wrote: F [The SMC K 135/2.5 is on the left, while the Takumar Bayonet F 135/2.5 is on the right.] Fred, Unfortunately I was referring to the SMC K 135/2.5 . :o( The front lens diameter as it appeared to my limited measuring capabilities is around 52mm, that translates to an aperture of 2.6 or so. Worse even - the meter agrees. Hi, Alin. I see. You know, before sending my post (that you quoted), I tried to find an older post of mine, where I had stated my measurements, but I couldn't find it, so I'll have to measure again. I do remember that the SMC K seemed a little smaller than f/2.5 (by measuring and calculating), and that the Tak Bayonet was smaller still. Hmmm... OK, where are those lenses... Well, here's what I just measured and calculated: SMC K 135/2.5 : 52mm front element diameter - f/2.6 Takumar Bayonet 135/2.5 : 49mm front element diameter - f/2.8 Of course, I would probably come up with slightly different measurements each time I tried to measure them (since I don't have a measuring caliper), and I'm also assuming that both lenses truly have 135mm FL's. On the theoretical side, it has been pointed out here before that the entrance pupil of a lens is not necessarily equal to the clear diameter of its front element, but I myself just can't see how a 135/2.5 lens could ever have a front element diameter less than 54mm and still be an f/2.5 lens. The FL is probably a bit shorter than 135mm, giving a boost to the relative aperture. According to photodo, the real FL of the new FA 135/2.8 is 130mm, and coincidentally 130mm / 52mm = exactly 2.5. -Scott
Re: Hypothetical question
Hi, Ronald, I keep hearing that bayonet mount is so much faster to change lenses than screwmount, but my experience doesn't agree. I just now walked over to my cameras, and timed a lens exchange with both bayonet and screwmount. Under 5 seconds for each. Even if I'm off by a second or two, the difference is truly inconsequential, imho. cheers, frank Ronald Arvidsson wrote: snip Sorry: I wouldn't use screw mount simply because I use single focal lengths and they are too slow to exchnage on the camera. Cheers, Ronald -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Slide for Portraits ( Scanning?)
I just got back 1 roll of Kodak Portra 160NC prints, 1 roll of Fuji Astia pro. slides. Both rolls had numerous portraits/candids of my family. Both were shot with the same camera lens. The slides seem to be much more consistent with the flash. Some of the prints show a little more white out on the faces. Is this normal? If so, I'm giving serious thought to shooting nothing but slides. It's cheaper, etc. Does anyone out there shoot slides for weddings? Last question-does anyone know if Costco's services offer the ability to scan slides onto a CD? Or another store that can do it reasonably-priced? I have yet to buy a dedicated scanner, but the Minolta III might be my next purchase. The shops that I talk to all want big bucks just to scan one slide! Thanks again all for your input... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: PUB submission form problem
I don't think that the Javascript being used by the PUG auto subscription form is properly supported by Opera. You'll probably have to use Internet exploder or Netscape. At 01:15 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: I tried yesterday and again this morning to submit my Jan PUG entry on-line using Opera. Each time the submission failed, giving me an error message that said my file was only 1K in size, when I knew it was 75K. I has used Opera previously, with no problems. Yes, I did remove the quotation marks, as instructed. I can't use Netscape, because i have Netscape 7, and reverted to Netscape 4,77, which doesn't work at all on the PUG form. I was thus forced to use IE, and I absolutely hate to use that microsoft monstrosity. I did, however, complete the submission and get a confirmation by email. Any ideas as to what the problem might be?
Re: Hypothetical Question
I work in advertising and have had a lot of contact with the marketing departments of various companies for the last quarter century. They all monitor every bit of information they can find. Why not? It's a no brainer. More information is always a good thing. Paul Brad Dobo wrote: I'm not saying it's impossible. Far from it. Just not likely. I doubt Pentax Japan does. Perhaps someone from Pentax USA? They don't carry much weight in Japan however. I do know that no one at Pentax Canada watches this list, if some are members, they are just like most of us, they don't write reports to anyone. Anyhow, silly topic that no one will change opinions on, not quite but getting up there with Big Brother, CIA, etc. If anything, we just confuse the hell out of them! g So it looks to me like most won't be happy unless they release a DSLR on the traditional LX body, make it steel and heavy, and use as much mechanical parts as possible. A mechanical analog digital...interesting :) Brad (who loves the MZ-S, the 360 flash, the FA lenses, and autofocus! No need for a new 35mm flagship when when we have a wonderful one now!) Brad (who also loves his A 400mm 5.6 MF lens and A1.4x-L converter that's in the mail!) Brad (who won't buy a DSLR for a long long time!) (There, that's got 'em confused! vbg) - Original Message - From: T Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Hypothetical Question The do not officially monitor this list. Therefore, what you are asking is silly. Some of us on the list know people who work for Pentax. We know what they say. However, I can almost guaranty they if you post a question to Pentax on this list, it will not be answered. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, that is assuming they watch the list. Just who is? This was originally a Pentax USA thing, right? Well, Japan doesn't think much of North America. So who is looking? Why? Have we looked at the content lately? I'm sure they left after all the insults, swearing and gun talk. Can someone give me concrete proof that Pentax monitors this? (again, what is Pentax?) Realistically, you cannot expect me to take someones word for it. If you cannot prove it, it's immediately suspect. Fishy, screwyya know! g
Re: MZ-S Focus Lock
Artur, the MZ-S does have the ability to focus with a light pressure on the shutter release: the amount of travel is, however, very small. You can lock focus only in AF.S mode. Focus on the desired subject by pressing lightly on the shutter button, or by using the AF button: hold, then recompose and continue releasing the shutter. In AF.C mode, by definition, the camera will continuously focus, using predictive focussing when detecting a moving subject. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: Re: MZ-S Focus Lock Well, if you're using AFS, you need to keep pressure on the shutter release and recompose. As far as I know, the only way, other than focusing manually (or after AF, turning it to MF) and recomposing. I don't think there is any more to it. Could be wrong. Brad - Original Message - From: Robert Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: MZ-S Focus Lock I feel like a dummy asking this question, but: I just bought a MZ-S and I'll be damned if I can get the focus lock to work when recomposing the frame. Has anyone experienced the same problem, and if so, any tips? Thanks much. Robert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: Hypothetical Question taken further...
Sorry, Brad, But, I think you've got the whole marketing thing backwards (I'm saying this from the viewpoint of someone who knows ~nothing~ about marketing, btw). I shouldn't have to buy the latest and greatest equipment, to support my favourite company, so they can bring out something that I don't really care about right now (ie: a dslr), so the company can stay solvent. I'm the consumer, dammit! They (Pentax or anyone else) should cater to ~me~! If they don't, I don't buy new stuff from them. Simple as that. Pentax doesn't make the type of camera that I prefer, being an affordable, nicely featured mechanical metal-bodied camera. But, who does? No one, at least not a 35mm slr - and I don't count the N FM3, since it ain't exactly affordable. Mind you, I'm not saying that Pentax ~should~ make what I want. They stuck with the K1000 for almost 25 years, and made it as cheaply as they could, eventually making it in 3rd world countries, and substituting much plastic for what was once metal, both inside and out. They obviously weren't making money off it, so they stopped making it - and that's fine. The only camera I can think of offhand that fits the bill right now is the Voigtlander Bessa R (the top plate isn't metal, but the chassis is, so I'll forgive them for that). I might have bought one, but Dave Chang-Sang sold me his Leica CL for about 1/2 the price of a new Bessa and lens. So, I'll keep buying used, until Pentax comes up with something new that I want, and I ain't holding my breath. Of course, I'm now invested in k mount and m42 gear, so I can't afford to change systems - not that I want to, 'cause I like what I have. But I certainly will make no apologies for sticking with the used market, nor should I have to. cheers, frank Brad Dobo wrote: Just a thought. Many here (but not all) like and use the older gear, to get additional items, or replacements, they buy used equipment (not all the time, but most I assume). What do I think? To each his own. More power to you if you can really 'work' the older equipment. Now, I'm not a perfect example, since I've now bought 2 items used, including a manual focus lens. However, we all talk about Pentax and their position, rank and financial, and what they will be in the future, and really..what about that darned DSLR? What I'm thinking is, we as a whole group are the serious amateurs, or professionals using Pentax. We are somewhat representative. If we don't buy all the latest and greatest from Pentax, how can we expect them to develop for us, a DSLR. We'd be the ones with the want and money to buy one. But Pentax needs money and a reason to develop and manufacture and sell worldwide a DSLR. Are we, in general terms, helping them do that? If they know their real fans like the old over the new, and buy used, why put the effort into a DSLR? Or a better new 35mm flagship for that matter? Just something to toss about. [The opinions represented in this email are by no means that of the originator of the email. g] Happy Holidays! -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Hypothetical Question
Even if they do monitor us once in a while, or even all the time, I can't believe that they put much stock in our opinions. We're what, a couple of hundred enthusiasts? That's a pretty small sample, and hardly representative of the market as a whole. We don't have much influence beyond our group (or even within it g). They may watch us once in a while, but I can't believe that too many decisions are made based on what we think. BUT, just in case Big Brother Pentax is watching, how about a Pentax equivalent to the N FM3 (but way cheaper)? I guess it could hurt to try, eh? vbg cheers, frank Paul Stenquist wrote: I work in advertising and have had a lot of contact with the marketing departments of various companies for the last quarter century. They all monitor every bit of information they can find. Why not? It's a no brainer. More information is always a good thing. Paul -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Slide for Portraits ( Scanning?)
Steve, Where did you get them processed? Have you looked at the negatives to determine if they were corrected - at least the ones that look poor? Having shot tons of slides and a ton or two of prints, I find that print film usually is more forgiving provided you use a decent lab. That is one of the tricks that most Pro wedding/portrait photog's do - use a good lab. It makes quite a difference. For instance, my lab makes sure that all pictures are color matched and about the same brightness for the entire wedding. Costs a bit more and takes a bit longer, but consistency is much higher. Generally, here are the issues with slides for weddings: Slides have narrower latitude for exposure so Must Get shots are at greater risk. Slides are inherently costly and frustrating to get good prints from. Nobody looks at wedding albums from a Kodak carousel. So your final cost of prints ends up being higher when shooting slides because you must make prints of all of them. For me, that would be between 200-300 prints per wedding. Slides are usually a bit too contrasty to handle black tuxes and white wedding dresses together especially when prints are made from them. I personally know of no pros shooting slides for paid wedding work. They may be out there, but so might APS wedding photographers. Slides can be gorgeous when viewed on a light table, but translating them to nice prints is slow and costly. Seems the best approach these days is to scan and correct them yourself. Be aware of archivability as the wedding album is a treasure that is kept for many, many years. It would be bad to have it color shift and fade. From what I have seen, to get the quality of scan that you are looking for, you should invest in a film scanner. If slides are to be your main film choice, make sure the scanner handles them well. My Minolta Scan Dual II is so-so for slide scanning. HTH, Bruce Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 2:10:43 PM, you wrote: SP I just got back 1 roll of Kodak Portra 160NC prints, SP 1 roll of Fuji Astia pro. slides. Both rolls had SP numerous portraits/candids of my family. Both were SP shot with the same camera lens. The slides seem to SP be much more consistent with the flash. Some of the SP prints show a little more white out on the faces. SP Is this normal? If so, I'm giving serious thought to SP shooting nothing but slides. It's cheaper, etc. Does SP anyone out there shoot slides for weddings? SP Last question-does anyone know if Costco's services SP offer the ability to scan slides onto a CD? Or SP another store that can do it reasonably-priced? I SP have yet to buy a dedicated scanner, but the Minolta SP III might be my next purchase. The shops that I talk SP to all want big bucks just to scan one slide! SP Thanks again all for your input... SP __ SP Do you Yahoo!? SP Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. SP http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: MZ-S Focus Lock
Artur, the MZ-S does lock focus when you depress the shutter button half-way, unless the AF slider switch is set to AF.C (continuous), rather than AF.S (single). Pat White
re: my kit
Pentax ZX-5n, FA 43/1.9, A100/2.8 Canon G-III QL17 Olympus Infinity Mini (weatherproof) Mamiya C330 w/ 105/3.5 Busch Pressman 'D' with Schneider Symmar 150/5.6 Sunpak 611 flash
Re: Hypothetical Question
On 18 Dec 2002 at 14:27, Brad Dobo wrote: So it looks to me like most won't be happy unless they release a DSLR on the traditional LX body, make it steel and heavy, and use as much mechanical parts as possible. A mechanical analog digital...interesting :) A rigid chassis is just as important for a DSLR as a film SLR so a metal body would be desirable bear in mid too that modern cast alloys are near as light as polycarbonate for the same strength. Also the sensors in top end DSLRs require shutters and mirrors just like conventional SLRs therefore the mechanical requirements of the systems are similar. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
RE: Hypothetical Question
On 18 Dec 2002 at 14:45, Len Paris wrote: I hope they listen now. I would buy a 6MP CCD or CMOS DSLR and would not mind if the chip is APS sized. If they could manage a CMOS chip like the Foveon, with some enhancements over the one used in the Sigma SD-9, I'd be very happy. I don't need anything a lot larger than that. Keep the price $2200 or less and they've got me hooked. Yay, I'd be in it to and my second body would be the later full frame 14mpix. Pentax have extracted plenty on money out of me in new lenses very recently and mostly bases on the premise that they would soon deliver a DSLR, thank god (or your favourite deity) for K-mount backwards compatibility. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: RE: Hypothetical Question
On 18 Dec 2002 at 16:27, David Brooks wrote: Just not sure how the CMOS works vs the CCD.I always associated CMOS as start up computer programing.I have seen the Canon 1D and it looks nice and its cheaper than the Dxx series from Nikon. Any CMOS commentsCotty? CMOS is a far better option than CCD however it has only recently been developed to a point where it would be suitable for professional photographic applications. CCD sensors will displaced completely in the not to distant future. See: http://kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcsPro14n/cmos.jhtml?id =0.3.6.30.5.8.3.18.3lc=en Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 04:02 PM, Steve Pearson wrote: Dan- Did you get it? Nope. Figured I'd look like a jerk if I bought it after you posted. I take it you didn't either? Dan Scott
Re: Hypothetical Question
The do not officially monitor this list. Therefore, what you are asking is silly. Some of us on the list know people who work for Pentax. We know what they say. However, I can almost guaranty they if you post a question to Pentax on this list, it will not be answered. All companies that have press and public relations departments ensure that press clippings and relevant reaction is catalogued and filtered for use by market research and others within. Of course, it depends on the size and disposition of said PR Dept as to how far they go in gaining reaction and from what source, and how far they take it. I know for a fact that various personnel working for Pentax in various parts of the world have been known to monitor the list, whether through choice or instruction, and whether through their own research or through being provided with the relevant info. I won't back up my claim (for obvious reasons) with any hard evidence, you'll just have to trust me on that, or not. It should not be any great surprise. After all, knowledge is power, huh? I wouldn't place too high a priority on this as a hotline to the top Pentax brass though :-) Regards, Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Hypothetical Question
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CMOS is a far better option than CCD however it has only recently been developed to a point where it would be suitable for professional photographic applications. CCD sensors will displaced completely in the not to distant future. See: http://kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcsPro14n/cmos.jhtml?id =0.3.6.30.5.8.3.18.3lc=en Kodak is currently pushing their CMOS stuff heavily (their new 14 megapixel camera is CMOS). For a bit less biased opinion (they do *both* CMOS and CCD technology), see http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: my kit
BTW, wifey is now in possession of a new ZX-L to complement her ZX-M and ZX-30. Unlike _most_ of you cheapskate boogers here, our family SUPPORTS Pentax. grin. At least for _her_ purchases. She'll see the new AF360 under the tree come Christmas, too. As far as I'm aware, I haven't booged in years :-) Cotty Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re: Hypothetical Question
An interesting aside: of the current crop of $2K DSLRs the Nikon seems to produce the cleanest image. I is, I think, the only one using a CCD. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Hypothetical Question Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CMOS is a far better option than CCD however it has only recently been developed to a point where it would be suitable for professional photographic applications. CCD sensors will displaced completely in the not to distant future. See: http://kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/dcsPro14n/cmos.jht ml?id =0.3.6.30.5.8.3.18.3lc=en Kodak is currently pushing their CMOS stuff heavily (their new 14 megapixel camera is CMOS). For a bit less biased opinion (they do *both* CMOS and CCD technology), see http://www.dalsa.com/markets/ccd_vs_cmos.asp -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Hypothetical Question
Hi, Tom, My bet is that the vast majority of Rebel users have no idea that all those big white lenses on the sidelines of NFL football games are C lenses. They probably bought their Rebels because Andre Agassi's mug is on the tube, trying to tell us that he uses one (yeah, right!). That's ~real~ marketing! g And, of hundreds of thousands of Rebels that are sold, do you really think that many are bought because some neophyte was chatting with a member of CDML (if such a thing exists), who enthusiastically told him to buy one? I have my doubts. Nah, TV ads, magazine ads, promotional deals in the local paper selling the ubiquitous starter kit with a 28-70 (or whatever) plus strap and camera bag for $200 - that's what does it, imho. But, as always, I could be wrong. cheers, frank T Rittenhouse wrote: But the people on this is are not a couple hundred users, they are a couple of hundred flag wavers. If word of mouth is worth anything, they would be trying to please these people. Canon Nikon have thousands of flag wavers, simply because they do try to please that segment of their market. The Rebel is the best selling SLR in the world because of all the white lenses that are seen at sporting events. Canon does not sell a heck of a lot of white lenses, but giving them away sells a heck of a lot of Rebels cameras. That is called marketing. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
Re: Hypothetical Question
Cotty wrote: If God loves me there is a full-frame digital SLR with fast imaged stablized lenses in my future. I am betting Pentax won't have one out by then. Anyone want to wager a beer or two on that. I like free beer! I'll bet you a bottle of Wychwood's Hobgoblin against a tin of that sudsy bathwater you Americans call beer that you will not see a full frame DSLR from Pentax before Jan 1st 2005 :-) You in? Cotty ref: http://www.wychwood.co.uk/ Hell no! But... I'd love to join you for making that case of Wychwood become smaller! I'm ALWAYS up for that, Cotty! I'll even bring my magic MX to see you! g keith whaley P.S. Americans don't MAKE beer! IMMHO...
Re[3]: Hypothetical Question taken further...
Hi, Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 11:05:39 PM, you wrote: I think one of Brad's points is that *many* on this list don't buy new stuff no matter what Pentax makes. Even if they made the kind of stuff you want, at the prices it would cost to make it, would you buy new? Probably not. [...] When I had nearly $20K worth of retail spending power from my insurance claim to spend on new equipment, I'd have been happy to put it into Pentax-san's pockets, but he didn't have anything I wanted, so I bought Contax. Even when I was buying mostly used Pentax stuff I did buy a fair amount of new equipment. Somebody who has 4 or 5 cameras and a dozen or so lenses all bought used is still quite likely to spend more on new equipment, I'd have thought, than somebody who buys a low-end body and lens kit and sticks with that forever. --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia
Re: RE: Hypothetical Question
Just not sure how the CMOS works vs the CCD.I always associated CMOS as start up computer programing.I have seen the Canon 1D and it looks nice and its cheaper than the Dxx series from Nikon. Any CMOS commentsCotty? From what I gather, the CMOS uses vastly less power than a comparable CCD. This seems to bear out in practice. I have the grip with provision for 2 Liithium Ion battery packs, and the 2 packs. Charged up, with occasional snapping and say a good couple of hours shooting on a Saturday, so say about 400 exposures, maybe 450 in all, I can go a good 2 WEEKS before they're exhausted. I have disabled auto-shut-off. The camera stays on all the time when shooting unless I switch it off manually. The packs are amazing. Personally I wouldn't dally with AA-anything. .02pixels :-) Cot Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
Re[2]: Hypothetical Question
Hi, Wednesday, December 18, 2002, 11:02:59 PM, you wrote: [...] I wouldn't place too high a priority on this as a hotline to the top Pentax brass though :-) it's not brass anymore, it's plastic... --- Bob Our heads are round so that our thoughts can fly in any direction Francis Picabia
Re: my kit
Look what my son got me for Christmas :-) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1925376538 Bless his little cotton socks. Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/ Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
RE: Slide for Portraits ( Scanning?)
-Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Generally, here are the issues with slides for weddings: Slides have narrower latitude for exposure so Must Get shots are at greater risk. Slides are inherently costly and frustrating to get good prints from. Nobody looks at wedding albums from a Kodak carousel. So your final cost of prints ends up being higher when shooting slides because you must make prints of all of them. For me, that would be between 200-300 prints per wedding. Slides are usually a bit too contrasty to handle black tuxes and white wedding dresses together especially when prints are made from them. Also, you don't haver many high speed options. I personally know of no pros shooting slides for paid wedding work. They may be out there, but so might APS wedding photographers. I know a guy who was hired by a film student to shoot his wedding. The catch was that the client *insisted* he shoot the whole thing on Kodachrome 25. Unbelievable. tv
Re: Is this a good deal on a 6x7?
Nope, I passed also, waiting for more input. I knew it would be gone by morning. Thanks for not buying it out from under me. It's nice to know the pact is strong! Sorry you did not get it... --- Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 04:02 PM, Steve Pearson wrote: Dan- Did you get it? Nope. Figured I'd look like a jerk if I bought it after you posted. I take it you didn't either? Dan Scott __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: My LX is back from Colorado.
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 12:12, Dan Scott wrote: Gold plate? Aaack. Too, too tacky. Dan Scott What? The snakeskin isn't? Have you seen Cesar's pimped-out LXen? I had to turn away to avoid seeing my lunch for the second time! ;-) Christian
Re: bargains and questions
In the US Focal is K-Mart's brandname for photo gear. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: bargains and questions I just picked up a few lenses from a sale.. Sigma Zoom Auto Focus 75-300 f4.5-5.6 Multi Coated PK mount 28mm F2.8 Pentax-F 35-70mm f3.5-4.5 Zoom Macro Total price $AUD100.00 The 28mm has no manufacturer but merely states 'LENS MADE IN JAPAN' and a date sticker 20-06-47 (could this be right?) It does have a number No.88315315 and also says FOCAL MC AUTO, it is a 52mm thread. Any ideas who the maker of this lense may be? Secondly, Where might I find more info on the Pentax-F 35-70 Lens? Kind regards Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia
