[Vo]:Of Nuclear Masses and MIT...
Jones: FYI: your intuitive ruminations about the a.m.u and nuclear masses not being all that 'constant' just might prove insightful! In his latest paper, Hagelstein mentions that excited nuclei have differing masses. The problem he has encountered is that traditional models for condensed matter (which have been quite successful so far) have failed to provide the necessary coupling between nuclear and phononic (lattice) energy transfer. He has come up with a new approach which he thinks has merit. Here are two quotes from that paper to provide some understanding. The intuitive picture that has emerged over the past few years of thinking about the problem is that the different excited states of the nucleus have different masses, and under appropriate conditions it may be possible for the nucleus to notice the mass differences of the different configurations. This could provide the physical basis for phonon exchange in association with configuration mixing. The resulting model can then be used directly to develop a new Hamiltonian for nuclei in a lattice that includes the coupling consistent with a many-particle Dirac formulation. Interestingly, the model that results seems to include a relativistic effect which provides a *direct coupling between the lattice motion and excitations in the nucleus*. Keep on Ruminatin'. J -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Reading Larsen Slides, he cite possibilities that some non hydrides environments trigger LENR. carbon cycles : polycyclic hydrocarbons, graphènes , carbons nanotubes, footbalène... carbon cycles on hydrides, or on other metal... also maybe collective electrons in beam (citing old 192x experiments with Xray generator in H atmosphere) for biology, hydride capable metals particles, and carbon cycles are credible environments. enzymes can also inject protons, photons, prepare carbon cycle (like catalyst metal can), helping protons and electrons collectivization, and electrons energizing but from possible to real, there is a step. now that we know LENR work, we should redo all strange experiments of the past to check is LENR can explain now. 2012/2/8 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Rossi's results and the other Ni-H results make me think cold fusion must be possible with many metals, but that does not mean it is necessarily possible in biology, or that it can happen spontaneously in nature as in the Oklo fission reactor. There are many phenomena that cannot occur in biology. There are biological batteries in electric eels, and light receivers such as the eye, but I doubt there are any biological radio detectors, or radars. ...
[Vo]:
Please help- me, yourself and the Mankind. How? Read this please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-solving-quasi-desperate-appeal.html My aim is the text translated in 100 languages till the end of this year. Please help in any way you can. Thanks! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
I would argue the oscillation between atomic and molecular states of H or D represent the strongly coupled energy exchange with the oscillator. The critical temp places a large gas population near disassociation threshold and then the oscillator slaves the tripping of the threshold so the molecules all disassociate in phase and then emit photons as they immediately re-associate. [slaved multivibrator of bond state?] The disassociations appear to be further aided by motion through lattice defects where changes in suppression value may differentiate between atomic and molecular state. Fran [snip]Coherent energy exchange in these models works best when the coupling between Including nuclear degrees of freedom in a lattice Hamiltonian 4 the two-level transition (representing electronic and nuclear transitions) and oscillator (representing a vibrational mode) is strong. We studied a further generalization of the lossy spin-boson model in which two transitions are coupled to an oscillator, where one is strongly-coupled and one is weakly-coupled [32]. We found that the strongly coupled system could assist coherent energy exchange for the weakly coupled system. The model that resulted appeared to us to be very closely related to excess heat production in the Fleischmann-Pons experiment, assuming that the mechanism involved D2/4He transitions that were weakly coupled to a phonon mode (weakly coupled due to the Coulomb repulsion between the deuterons), and that a strongly-coupled transition were also present. The big problem in this kind of model ends up being the identification of the strongly-coupled transition. Finding an appropriate strongly-coupled transition with sufficiently strong coupling to do the job seems problematic within the approach [33]. After analyzing many candidate transitions, we came to the conclusion that there were no physical transitions which could serve as the strongly-coupled two-level transition within the model.[/snip] -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion answers a lot of technical questions
[snip] This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle [/snip] sounds like zero point energy in the Moller - Lyne tradition. Fran From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Defkalion answers a lot of technical questions http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Dave wrote: @Defkalion I am interested in the trigger mechanism for the Hyperion reaction. My definition of trigger is a relatively low energy drive process that causes a large response. This is similar to the trigger for a rifle. Correct, this is what triggering generaly means. But in Hyperion's triggering is defined as a two phase process (please note Spec Sheet p.5) that is able to ignite the reactions and control them within pre-defined temperature ranges. Dave wrote: 1). Does the heat generating Ni-H reaction only occur during the exact time period that the trigger is applied? Does it die down immediately (within seconds) once the trigger is removed? Ni-H LENR reactions occure following atomic Hydrogen generation (page 5 in spec sheet) and after a specific period the triggering procedures are applied (we will not answer at this stage to your question how long is this period). Once the trigger activates the reaction, the control can stop it and trigger it again at will (in Hyperion products performed by software controled will, following specific aglorithms). There is a predictable very limitted heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. Dave wrote: 2). Somewhere I saw that the trigger was a 24 volt, 6 amp = 144 watt drive signal. Is this what you would refer to as the trigger? Yes, this drive signal powers certain mechanisms of the Hyperion ignition system. Dave wrote: 3). Does the magnetic field associated with the 6 amp current affect the generated heat output in a major way? We will not answer to this questions at this stage. Dave wrote: 4). Is the same 24 Volt, 6 Amp current used with the multi core product as well as in the single core design? We will not answer to this questions at this stage. Dave wrote: 5). It has been suggested that your output energy occurs in bursts that are controlled by the above trigger and is not a continuous function of the kernel temperatures. Is this a true statement? If not, explain the process if you would be so kind. This is a true statement. LENR energy within Hyperion reactors is produced in bursts that are controlled by the above triggering procedures (and the safety electronics controling the triggering procedures/mechanisms, monitoring also the reactor's inner conditions). The frequency of such bursts is also contollable (within certain limits), defining the actual COP of the Hyperion reactors and the Hyperion systems. Every such burst (or spike as it is also called) is the result of what we have called a multistage set of reactions. We will not explain at this stage the whole triggering process or the dynamic system of the multi-stage set of reactions triggered, as our patents are under preparation, a lot of people are trying unsafly to replicate LENR reactions based mostly on simple speculations or their understanding in forum posts (like the present) rather than following any safety policies or methodologies in scientific research and development, etc... Dave wrote: 6). Finally, is your design subject to thermal run away if the kernel gets too hot? Till now we have reached in lab conditions thermal run aways only when we deliberetly killed critical control mechanisms of Hyperion, having deactivated all of its backup safety mechanisms. The result of such thermal run aways was the melting of Ni within the reactor causing a reaction stop with no catastrophic effects to the environment (off course causing major malfunctions within the Hyperion kernel). In real situations and before reaching any such thermal run away condition, signals/alarms of mallfunctioned critical control mechanisms of Hyperion systems trigger automaticaly a number of backup safety mechanisms. One is the venting the Hydrogen to the Argon atmoshere (please note our answer also related with safety of the Hydrogen Circuit in viewtopic.php?f=19t=773http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19t=773) causing a stop of the reactions. If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automaticlly will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once,
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:DGT Triggering Response
Axil, Your theory has a lot of good points but I think one of us has a misconception about Rydberg matter .. and it could be me so maybe we can hash out a couple things right now and at least one of us will benefit. I'll start with a the small bone to pick that I have mentioned previously is that you keep mentioning Rydberg matter when I think you mean inverse Rydberg matter if you are referencing the same hydrogen that others coin hydrino, fractional hydrogen or relativistic hydrogen, of course the term relativistic might explain the confusion because acceleration between any 2 frames will cause objects to relativistically contract regardless of polarity based on the absolute difference in velocity be it spatial displacement or equivalent acceleration. The other bone to pick is your concept that Rydberg matter can accumulate and poison the Ni - H reaction leaving a residue layer coating the powder. I agree that runaway can destroy the geometry but I have always understood it is the lattice and defects that create inverse Rydberg atoms via suppression...and I am ok even with some Rydberg atoms being created as a result of the heat anomalloy to fuel the energy needs but in either case you constantly need the geometry to maintain the inverse Rydberg state or energy to maintain the Rydberg atoms - as soon as the geometry melts the matter returns to normal state which is why Mills only claims some unusual hydride ash and cannot produce any hydrinos for examination - the odd spectrum of plasma is the closest he will ever come to producing a hydrino that can be examined in the lab. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:DGT Triggering Response This DGT control sequence scenario is consistent with my recently posted control mechanism for coherent proton supercurrent manipulation. In this scenario, the internal heater forms Rydberg atoms which are converted to protons (H+) by the micro powder which then join a growing coherent proton condensate. Next, Nuclear quantum mechanical processes cause protons to tunnel into the nickel nucleus to form copper. The increased heat causes more decoherence of the proton/nickel tunneling. When a set temperature is reached, a magnetic field is applied to destroy the proton condensate as well as the stockpile of Rydberg atoms. The Rossi reaction is similar to what goes on in a high temperature superconductor where Superconduction is destroyed by a strong magnetic field. The reaction stops after the magnetic field is applied and the temperature falls until a low temperature set point is reached. At that low temperature set point, the cycle begins again. The entangled proton population will then rejoin the cohertent condisate and will then begin to grow after reestablishment. If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automatically will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once, with no catastrophic effects to the Hyperion's environment. So, there is no practical way or expected in situ situation to reach such a thermal run away in a Hyperion system. In other words, if the magnetic field is not applied to destroy proton supercurrent coherence, a thermal melt down will occur. The nano-coating of the powder will then melt and the production of protons will stop permanently. The DGT cycle will grow less reactive over time due to the buildup of Rydberg matter which poisons the Rydberg atom formation process causing quiescence. I predict that the hydrogen envelope will need to be periodically purged because in will be contaminated with a large accumulation of large molecule Rydberg matter which will interfere with proper control of the DGT burst cycle. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Defkalion has answered some interesting questions concerning their hyperion device which the collective might want to review. Check out the following link. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24t=1038 Dave
[Vo]:Self charging ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLbphJkxMM Can a rotating device really charge itself? This is a closed system with no auxiliary input of any kind. Charges itself while speeding up motor and rotors simultaneously. No Claims, just an observance. Judge for yourself. From what i can see this guy is using a magnetically enhanced electric motor connected to an axial flux generator with some kind of circular magnetic ramp.
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
More info: http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.html The information below described a new catalyst, CC, that requires zero energy input once the reaction is started and heated to 180F. After that, hydrogen is produced for as long as fuel (water and aluminum) are provided. Zero energy input ? wow, who is going to need lenr once we all have hydrogen on demand ?
Re: [Vo]:
*FRENCH/FRANCAIS* Je pense, j'existe. Je décide, je vis. Je résous des problèmes, je vis avec un but. 1. il n'y a PAS de problème isolé, ils viennent toujours en grappes dynamiques. 2. Il n'y a PAS de solution définitive pour les problèmes vraiment importants, ils doivent être résolus encore et encore. 3. L'étape critique n'est PAS de résoudre le problème, mais de le définir. 4. Le plus grand obstacle à la solution, ne sont PAS les données inconnues, mais celles connues et fausse. 5. Le plus important pour résoudre le problème, n'est PAS ce que nous savons, mais ce que nous ignorons. 6. Le plus souvent, ce qui décide si une solution est réalisée, n'est PAS le principal effet positif souhaité, mais ces effets secondaires négatifs, indésirables. 7. Tout les problèmes n'ont PAS forcément une solution véritablement totale 8. Le plus souvent, les meilleures solutions ne sont PAS les solution qui semblent parfaites dès le début, mais celles qui sont très perfectibles. 9. Les solution les plus précieuses, qui ont le spectre d'application le plus large, ne sont PAS les solutions brillantes ou spectaculaires, mais celles élaborée, développées, construites péniblement et patiemment, 10. Les solutions qui le plus de chance d'être réalisées rapidement ne sont PAS les solution logique et parfaitement rationnelles, mais les solutions respectant les sentiments des utilisateurs potentiels, même s'ils sont illogiques 11. Le facteur décisif dans la solution, n'est PAS la qualité de la solution, mais la rapidité de sa réalisation. Il peut être meilleur d'avoir une solution partielle appliquée rapidement, plutôt qu'une solution presque parfaite, plus lentement. 12. Le meilleur moyen d'obtenir des solutions pour des problèmes (terriblement) difficiles, n'est PAS toujours de longues heures de dur labeur et grands efforts, mais (parfois) la relaxation et l’amusement sont les meilleurs moyens. 13. Le plus souvent, les problèmes que l'on résout le plus hardiment, avec le plus de créativité, ne sont PAS nos propres problèmes, mais ceux des autres. 14 Les solutions les plus facilement acceptées et réalisée ne sont PAS les solutions développées par nous, mais celles empruntées, achetées ou volées à d'autres. 15. Le plus utile pour résoudre efficacement des problèmes n'est PAS l'amélioration des qualités humaines, mais la limitation des faiblesses humaines. 16. Pratiquement, le facteur clé pour la résolution réussie d'un problème n'est PAS la planification soigneuse et exacte, mais l'acceptation intelligentes des risques et la ferme prise de décisions. 17. Les problèmes les plus difficiles à résoudre, ne sont PAS toujours les problèmes réels et concrets, mais ceux qui sont fictifs et imaginaires. 18. N'acceptes PAS les prémisses du problème, Changez les quand cela est nécessaire et possible ! 19. Ne vous arrêtez PAS à la première solution, cherchez des alternatives ! Mais, pour les plus pointus de ceux qui résolvent des problèmes, il y a une META-REGLE, la plus importante de toutes : 20. Le grand art de la résolution de problème n'est PAS l'application sage de ces règles, mais de trouver les exceptions particulières à ces règles. --- Hope this helps. good rule for engineers, for project managers, for change management (Conduite du changement[fr]), for negociators or military. 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Please help- me, yourself and the Mankind. How? Read this please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-solving-quasi-desperate-appeal.html My aim is the text translated in 100 languages till the end of this year. Please help in any way you can. Thanks! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:
Dear Alain, I am deeply indebted for your promptness and kindness. I have already published it - there are so many francophones worldwide! We have now- English, Swedish, French, Romanian...Rules. Peter 2012/2/8 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com *FRENCH/FRANCAIS* Je pense, j'existe. Je décide, je vis. Je résous des problèmes, je vis avec un but. 1. il n'y a PAS de problème isolé, ils viennent toujours en grappes dynamiques. 2. Il n'y a PAS de solution définitive pour les problèmes vraiment importants, ils doivent être résolus encore et encore. 3. L'étape critique n'est PAS de résoudre le problème, mais de le définir. 4. Le plus grand obstacle à la solution, ne sont PAS les données inconnues, mais celles connues et fausse. 5. Le plus important pour résoudre le problème, n'est PAS ce que nous savons, mais ce que nous ignorons. 6. Le plus souvent, ce qui décide si une solution est réalisée, n'est PAS le principal effet positif souhaité, mais ces effets secondaires négatifs, indésirables. 7. Tout les problèmes n'ont PAS forcément une solution véritablement totale 8. Le plus souvent, les meilleures solutions ne sont PAS les solution qui semblent parfaites dès le début, mais celles qui sont très perfectibles. 9. Les solution les plus précieuses, qui ont le spectre d'application le plus large, ne sont PAS les solutions brillantes ou spectaculaires, mais celles élaborée, développées, construites péniblement et patiemment, 10. Les solutions qui le plus de chance d'être réalisées rapidement ne sont PAS les solution logique et parfaitement rationnelles, mais les solutions respectant les sentiments des utilisateurs potentiels, même s'ils sont illogiques 11. Le facteur décisif dans la solution, n'est PAS la qualité de la solution, mais la rapidité de sa réalisation. Il peut être meilleur d'avoir une solution partielle appliquée rapidement, plutôt qu'une solution presque parfaite, plus lentement. 12. Le meilleur moyen d'obtenir des solutions pour des problèmes (terriblement) difficiles, n'est PAS toujours de longues heures de dur labeur et grands efforts, mais (parfois) la relaxation et l’amusement sont les meilleurs moyens. 13. Le plus souvent, les problèmes que l'on résout le plus hardiment, avec le plus de créativité, ne sont PAS nos propres problèmes, mais ceux des autres. 14 Les solutions les plus facilement acceptées et réalisée ne sont PAS les solutions développées par nous, mais celles empruntées, achetées ou volées à d'autres. 15. Le plus utile pour résoudre efficacement des problèmes n'est PAS l'amélioration des qualités humaines, mais la limitation des faiblesses humaines. 16. Pratiquement, le facteur clé pour la résolution réussie d'un problème n'est PAS la planification soigneuse et exacte, mais l'acceptation intelligentes des risques et la ferme prise de décisions. 17. Les problèmes les plus difficiles à résoudre, ne sont PAS toujours les problèmes réels et concrets, mais ceux qui sont fictifs et imaginaires. 18. N'acceptes PAS les prémisses du problème, Changez les quand cela est nécessaire et possible ! 19. Ne vous arrêtez PAS à la première solution, cherchez des alternatives ! Mais, pour les plus pointus de ceux qui résolvent des problèmes, il y a une META-REGLE, la plus importante de toutes : 20. Le grand art de la résolution de problème n'est PAS l'application sage de ces règles, mais de trouver les exceptions particulières à ces règles. --- Hope this helps. good rule for engineers, for project managers, for change management (Conduite du changement[fr]), for negociators or military. 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Please help- me, yourself and the Mankind. How? Read this please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-solving-quasi-desperate-appeal.html My aim is the text translated in 100 languages till the end of this year. Please help in any way you can. Thanks! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
More info: http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.html The information below described a new catalyst, CC, that requires zero energy input once the reaction is started and heated to 180F. After that, hydrogen is produced for as long as fuel (water and aluminum) are provided. Zero energy input ? wow, who is going to need lenr once we all have hydrogen on demand ? Not so fast. Obviously, this is an intriguing claim, and I hope it is checked out soon. In the meantime I would remain cautiously skeptical until additional evidence is accumulated. All too often the devil is eventually found in the details. Personal thoughts: Difficulty in extracting hydrogen cheaply, cleanly, and abundantly has always made it difficult to promote hydrogen as *the* ubiquitous clean and abundant energy source for the entire planet. While such claims might have the potential to worry many CF proponents, the fact that the alleged technology seems to extract hydrogen from H2O without the need for expending additional energy, once the reaction begins, this would seem to indicate the discovery of another cold fusion-like / zero-point-energy technology. And that is good news for the alternative energy front. By definition, the technology would ...seem... to violate one of the sacred laws of thermodynamics. If this eventually proves to be an accurate assessment it would seem to me that it would throw the physics books out the door just as easily as Rossi Co., or DTG's claims are now attempting to do with their eCats and Hyperon units. The whole alternative energy community would benefit. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 10:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? More info: http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.html The information below described a new catalyst, CC, that requires zero energy input once the reaction is started and heated to 180F. After that, hydrogen is produced for as long as fuel (water and aluminum) are provided. Zero energy input ? wow, who is going to need lenr once we all have hydrogen on demand ? Not so fast. Obviously, this is an intriguing claim, and I hope it is hecked out soon. In the meantime I would remain cautiously skeptical ntil additional evidence is accumulated. All too often the devil is ventually found in the details. Personal thoughts: Difficulty in extracting hydrogen cheaply, cleanly, nd abundantly has always made it difficult to promote hydrogen as the* ubiquitous clean and abundant energy source for the entire lanet. While such claims might have the potential to worry many CF roponents, the fact that the alleged technology seems to extract ydrogen from H2O without the need for expending additional energy, nce the reaction begins, this would seem to indicate the discovery of nother cold fusion-like / zero-point-energy technology. And that s good news for the alternative energy front. By definition, the technology would ...seem... to violate one of the acred laws of thermodynamics. If this eventually proves to be an ccurate assessment it would seem to me that it would throw the hysics books out the door just as easily as Rossi Co., or DTG's laims are now attempting to do with their eCats and Hyperon units. The whole alternative energy community would benefit. Regards teven Vincent Johnson ww.OrionWorks.com ww.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
From David: I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Sounds like a lot of fun. I assume your secret sauce formula was eventually used up. Eventually, replenishment is necessary, and there's the rub. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
Indeed. I had just written a reply saying virtually the same think when your Email arrived. I do not beleive that there is any magic here that breaks any laws of physics. On 08/02/2012 15:15, David Roberson wrote: I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnsonsvj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-lvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 10:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? More info:
RE: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
This is a lot of aluminum consumption. These are back-of-the-napkin-style calculations, so I apologize if I've missed something, but (unless I've made a large mistake) it appears that: 2[Al ]+ 6[H2O] + CC = CC + 2[Al(OH)3] + 3H2 So, two atoms of aluminum are consumed for every three atoms of diatomic hydrogen gas? Assuming a typical current hydrogen price (from natural gas) of $3/kg, with 2.016 grams/mole = $.006048/mole Assuming aluminum is a typical $2.172/kg, with 26.98154g/mol = $.058603/mole. With a 2/3 molar ratio in the chemical equation, we’re looking at $.058603/mole x 2/3 = production of hydrogen cost through Phillips’ method of $.03907/mole So, we currently produce hydrogen at approx. $.006048/mole, and the amazing new method is $.03907/mole? It’s roughly 6.45x more expensive? It's great that they are achieving great strides in catalysis modeling, but this looks to be an excellent way to ruin aluminum feedstock. There are some industrial uses for Aluminum oxide (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_oxide). Industrially, there may factories that could use aluminum scrap material to both supply hydrogen power generation for the factory, and harvest the aluminum oxide byproduct for use in their production processes. Absent that, am I missing something? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:28:47 + From: l...@thedyers.org.uk To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? Indeed. I had just written a reply saying virtually the same think when your Email arrived. I do not beleive that there is any magic here that breaks any laws of physics. On 08/02/2012 15:15, David Roberson wrote: I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnsonsvj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-lvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 10:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? More info:
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
Still, this new vigorous carbon catalyst might also work with Ni Hydrogen where Al is NOT consumed. It would certainly be worth testing! Fran -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer [mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? Indeed. I had just written a reply saying virtually the same think when your Email arrived. I do not beleive that there is any magic here that breaks any laws of physics. On 08/02/2012 15:15, David Roberson wrote: I would also take a second look at the net process energy balance. If aluminum is required as fuel, you would be in big trouble as it takes a lot of energy to obtain the fuel. Years ago I made H gas by putting lye and water into a jar with aluminum foil. My friends and I used the gas to fill bags for balloons. Dave -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnsonsvj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-lvortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 10:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? More info:
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
From: Alain Sepeda some non hydrides environments trigger LENR. carbon cycles : polycyclic hydrocarbons, graphènes , carbons nanotubes, footbalène... This field of polycyclic catalysts is based primarily on the important Mizuno experiments with phenanthrene, which is an extract of coal. This is must read in importance to LENR also the work of Les Case and others with various forms of charcoal. Anomalous Heat Generation during Hydrogenation of Carbon ... www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomaloushb.pdf MizunoTanomaloushb.pdf If the earth under Lake Vostok is typical of sedimentary deposits over much of the rest of the world, there will be coal or other forms of cyclic carbon which will be available as a catalyst. D2O may not be needed for this process. No carbon source would be of use to evolving lifeforms, without an energy source under 2 miles of ice either heat or light. Light doesnt get there and the heat is too minimal to split water. But it could have been barely enough 20 million years ago - to give single-celled life or even non-cellular life a good start down an evolutionary pathway. Importantly, the T-effect of Mills, Thermacore, et al produces both UV light and heat with no toxic radiation. Viral self-assembly comes to mind as possibility here. This goes along with more general hypothesis that life 3 billion years ago could have started out as self-assembling organic molecules, which later became viruses, and then single cells. Viruses are less complex than cellular life and some can arguably reproduce on their own. In 2003 it was discovered that the complex Mimi-virus can make proteins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimivirus With no competition any such organism (minimal lifeform) which could extract the phenanthrene from coal and use it as a catalyst for a self-contained energy source, would then have a free path and millions of years to evolve in unusual ways. This could open up a certain category of risk to the rest or us, and it is doubtful that proper precautions are being taken. Russians on a tight budget is a guaranteed disaster - as we have seen recently in their space program. This risk of escaping stuff has been explored in legitimate Sci-Fi - and is not too different in concept from The Stuff of the horror film genre Maybe Daniel is correct, after all, in his observation I hope whatever comes out of the bore hole does not taste too much like Häagen-Dazs to a cadre of hungry deep drillers (Bruce Willis wannabes) or else we are in for another episode of life imitating art.
RE: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
From: Robert Leguillon * * This is a lot of aluminum consumption. These are back-of-the-napkin-style calculations, so I apologize if I've missed something, but (unless I've made a large mistake) it appears that: 2[Al ]+ 6[H2O] + CC = CC + 2[Al(OH)3] + 3H2 . Absent that, am I missing something? Robert, you may be missing a bit of the lore or do not remember the Pacheco process of H2 generation, which is essentially this same scenario except the hydroxide is itself split, leaving alumina, and there is the claim of an anomaly in H2 output. http://www.rexresearch.com/pacheco/pacheco.htm This process never went commercial but good testing showed that it gave much more hydrogen than it should it was mentioned that the actual rate was over 3:1 over the rate of normal aluminum consumption using these calculations, indicating that there is some anomaly. Still aluminum is so dear that 3:1 this makes little sense. Even at triple the output of H2, there is a problem but at a certain level of production - the economics would work out, and Alcoa probably knows this and is waiting for oil to hit $200. I do not know what that level is but it is highly dependent on the price of oil, vis-à-vis aluminum. I know of one inventor in Mississippi - who has a Pacheco-like process that he claims is very economical NOW, when using recycled aluminum beer cans as the energy source. He can drive you around in a vehicle powered this way - for a fraction of the cost of gasoline. The problem there, as anyone can see - is supply and demand. If he were successful, then the price of recycled aluminum goes up and there is a net negative in disposing of all the spent alumina or AlOH. Jones
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I'm sure your friends at DGT would happily put it in Greek for you if you only asked. T 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: Dear Alain, I am deeply indebted for your promptness and kindness. I have already published it - there are so many francophones worldwide! We have now- English, Swedish, French, Romanian...Rules. Peter 2012/2/8 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com FRENCH/FRANCAIS Je pense, j'existe. Je décide, je vis. Je résous des problèmes, je vis avec un but. 1. il n'y a PAS de problème isolé, ils viennent toujours en grappes dynamiques. 2. Il n'y a PAS de solution définitive pour les problèmes vraiment importants, ils doivent être résolus encore et encore. 3. L'étape critique n'est PAS de résoudre le problème, mais de le définir. 4. Le plus grand obstacle à la solution, ne sont PAS les données inconnues, mais celles connues et fausse. 5. Le plus important pour résoudre le problème, n'est PAS ce que nous savons, mais ce que nous ignorons. 6. Le plus souvent, ce qui décide si une solution est réalisée, n'est PAS le principal effet positif souhaité, mais ces effets secondaires négatifs, indésirables. 7. Tout les problèmes n'ont PAS forcément une solution véritablement totale 8. Le plus souvent, les meilleures solutions ne sont PAS les solution qui semblent parfaites dès le début, mais celles qui sont très perfectibles. 9. Les solution les plus précieuses, qui ont le spectre d'application le plus large, ne sont PAS les solutions brillantes ou spectaculaires, mais celles élaborée, développées, construites péniblement et patiemment, 10. Les solutions qui le plus de chance d'être réalisées rapidement ne sont PAS les solution logique et parfaitement rationnelles, mais les solutions respectant les sentiments des utilisateurs potentiels, même s'ils sont illogiques 11. Le facteur décisif dans la solution, n'est PAS la qualité de la solution, mais la rapidité de sa réalisation. Il peut être meilleur d'avoir une solution partielle appliquée rapidement, plutôt qu'une solution presque parfaite, plus lentement. 12. Le meilleur moyen d'obtenir des solutions pour des problèmes (terriblement) difficiles, n'est PAS toujours de longues heures de dur labeur et grands efforts, mais (parfois) la relaxation et l’amusement sont les meilleurs moyens. 13. Le plus souvent, les problèmes que l'on résout le plus hardiment, avec le plus de créativité, ne sont PAS nos propres problèmes, mais ceux des autres. 14 Les solutions les plus facilement acceptées et réalisée ne sont PAS les solutions développées par nous, mais celles empruntées, achetées ou volées à d'autres. 15. Le plus utile pour résoudre efficacement des problèmes n'est PAS l'amélioration des qualités humaines, mais la limitation des faiblesses humaines. 16. Pratiquement, le facteur clé pour la résolution réussie d'un problème n'est PAS la planification soigneuse et exacte, mais l'acceptation intelligentes des risques et la ferme prise de décisions. 17. Les problèmes les plus difficiles à résoudre, ne sont PAS toujours les problèmes réels et concrets, mais ceux qui sont fictifs et imaginaires. 18. N'acceptes PAS les prémisses du problème, Changez les quand cela est nécessaire et possible ! 19. Ne vous arrêtez PAS à la première solution, cherchez des alternatives ! Mais, pour les plus pointus de ceux qui résolvent des problèmes, il y a une META-REGLE, la plus importante de toutes : 20. Le grand art de la résolution de problème n'est PAS l'application sage de ces règles, mais de trouver les exceptions particulières à ces règles. --- Hope this helps. good rule for engineers, for project managers, for change management (Conduite du changement[fr]), for negociators or military. 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Please help- me, yourself and the Mankind. How? Read this please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-solving-quasi-desperate-appeal.html My aim is the text translated in 100 languages till the end of this year. Please help in any way you can. Thanks! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This could open up a certain category of risk to the rest or us, and it is doubtful that proper precautions are being taken. As I understand it, there was an agreed protocol for extracting samples. The idea was not to kill us or them (whatever might lurk in the depths of the deep). Then again, maybe the Ruskies are looking to weaponize the bugs. T
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: He can drive you around in a vehicle powered this way - for a fraction of the cost of gasoline. Sober, I hope. T
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yes, but it is a method to use aluminum as a vector fuel for hydrogen, provided you have a cheap way to transform Aluminum Hydroxide into Aluminium... today not so cheap, but with LENR electricity, maybe the usual method is OK... but hydrogen also is a vector, so... many indirection... just to avoid making an hybrid engine. could be used anyway for LENR reactor to avoid the bottle of H2. 2012/2/8 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com So, we currently produce hydrogen at approx. $.006048/mole, and the amazing new method is $.03907/mole? It’s roughly 6.45x more expensive?It's great that they are achieving great strides in catalysis modeling, but this looks to be an excellent way to ruin aluminum feedstock.
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Then again, maybe the Ruskies are looking to weaponize the bugs. Funny you should mention that. But this thread might be more appropriate for the above top secret forum (if you don't mind being added to the list of those who are guaranteed a full body search on every airline flight). Anyone having followed Mills/BLP through the years- is probably aware that of one of the reasons it is said that RM never actively pursues - or mentions the so-called deuterino (reduced orbital deuterium species) relates to potential weaponization. IOW - It is rather obvious to anyone who thinks about the repercussions of having deuterinos at all, especially if they are mass-produced by a new kind of lifeform in tonnage (instead of the micrograms Mills has collected) that there is a strong military angle. Coulomb repulsion is the prime limitation on D+D fusion, and it is inverse square. Power laws are an amazing thing. A supply of deuterinos at deep redundancy - wow - that could drastically reduce the implosion energy necessary for fusion, on paper. This could push it into the level of triggering by conventional chemistry - especially if the stable hydride (extra electron) is included in a fraction of the mix, or especially if a nano-thermite is employed. Let's don't go there. In this case, the lesser of two evils for Lake Vostok is likely to be The Stuff ... :) mummm ... pass the Vanilla.
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Von: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:42 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst? yes, but it is a method to use aluminum as a vector fuel for hydrogen, provided you have a cheap way to transform Aluminum Hydroxide into Aluminium... -- agreed. but there seems to be no viable way to produce aluminum in an energy-efficient way. ...12,9–17,7 kW per kg raw-aluminum. And this is for ca 100 years. Non-electrolytic methods to produce aluminum placed the price of 1kg aluminum in the same range as 1kg gold in the 19th century, I learned. Direct H2O-electrolysis is much more efficient. But anyway. The search for 'vector-fuels' is important and gets a new angle with the e-cat. The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency? greetings
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:16 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake Jones, Anyone having followed Mills/BLP through the years- is probably aware that of one of the reasons it is said that RM never actively pursues - or mentions the so-called deuterino (reduced orbital deuterium species) relates to potential weaponization. Well, this could possibly explain a bit, but is too much of a conspiracy for my taste. The military has more control over the scientific progress than science itself, by filtering the 'pearls' out, and coopting them by boatloads of money. What's your basic take on Randall Mills? For me he is enough of a character bold enough trying to basically rewrite nuclear physics. 2000 pages, as far I remember. There is enough similarity to LENR, that I would be surprised that there is no connection. But on the other hand, there seems to be not much progress the last 2 years in BLP.
[Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
Does anybody have a good handle on the possible quantities of heat involved when protons inside a metal lattice begin paring condensation? As per this paper by Julian Brown, who estimates that such phenomena may be exhibit by metals (like Ni, Pd, Nb) with high hydrogen loading. http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0504019 Conclusion: In addition to the normal determinations of superconductivity such as the Meissner effect, the exothermy associated with the pairing phase transition would be quite considerable and should therefore by readily measurable by infra-red or calorimetric techniques. Comment: The associated proton pairs that arise could explain the the decreased resistance observed by Celani, as the metal forms islands saturated with condensed proton pairs in the superconducting phase. Proton-pairing condensation would also explain the quiessence effect, when all available protons have reached a sufficiently entangled state there is no more energy to be given off by this phase change. So it would not be fusion, or a nuclear reaction of any kind, but a very novel effect none-the-less. The high temperature proton-metal superconductors could have numerous technical applications and the proton-pairing phase-change latent heat effect could be utilised like a super-efficient, solid-state heat pump, with careful design of how to expose the cell to a hot side or a cold side depending on the stage of the cycle it is in (pairing or de-pairing).
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Dear Terry, The Defkalion people re really nice but I will not disturb them now with this problem. They are very busy. Actually these Rules - in their June 2011 stage were dedicated to Defkalion and this was before the great press conference and before their divorce from Rossi. Once in my life I was kind of prophet- when in 1998 after reading a paper about research by Brin and Page I had a satori and said they will solve the problem. I had a similar premonition with DGT. Let's see. But thank you for your suggestion. Peter 2012/2/8 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com I'm sure your friends at DGT would happily put it in Greek for you if you only asked. T 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: Dear Alain, I am deeply indebted for your promptness and kindness. I have already published it - there are so many francophones worldwide! We have now- English, Swedish, French, Romanian...Rules. Peter 2012/2/8 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com FRENCH/FRANCAIS Je pense, j'existe. Je décide, je vis. Je résous des problèmes, je vis avec un but. 1. il n'y a PAS de problème isolé, ils viennent toujours en grappes dynamiques. 2. Il n'y a PAS de solution définitive pour les problèmes vraiment importants, ils doivent être résolus encore et encore. 3. L'étape critique n'est PAS de résoudre le problème, mais de le définir. 4. Le plus grand obstacle à la solution, ne sont PAS les données inconnues, mais celles connues et fausse. 5. Le plus important pour résoudre le problème, n'est PAS ce que nous savons, mais ce que nous ignorons. 6. Le plus souvent, ce qui décide si une solution est réalisée, n'est PAS le principal effet positif souhaité, mais ces effets secondaires négatifs, indésirables. 7. Tout les problèmes n'ont PAS forcément une solution véritablement totale 8. Le plus souvent, les meilleures solutions ne sont PAS les solution qui semblent parfaites dès le début, mais celles qui sont très perfectibles. 9. Les solution les plus précieuses, qui ont le spectre d'application le plus large, ne sont PAS les solutions brillantes ou spectaculaires, mais celles élaborée, développées, construites péniblement et patiemment, 10. Les solutions qui le plus de chance d'être réalisées rapidement ne sont PAS les solution logique et parfaitement rationnelles, mais les solutions respectant les sentiments des utilisateurs potentiels, même s'ils sont illogiques 11. Le facteur décisif dans la solution, n'est PAS la qualité de la solution, mais la rapidité de sa réalisation. Il peut être meilleur d'avoir une solution partielle appliquée rapidement, plutôt qu'une solution presque parfaite, plus lentement. 12. Le meilleur moyen d'obtenir des solutions pour des problèmes (terriblement) difficiles, n'est PAS toujours de longues heures de dur labeur et grands efforts, mais (parfois) la relaxation et l’amusement sont les meilleurs moyens. 13. Le plus souvent, les problèmes que l'on résout le plus hardiment, avec le plus de créativité, ne sont PAS nos propres problèmes, mais ceux des autres. 14 Les solutions les plus facilement acceptées et réalisée ne sont PAS les solutions développées par nous, mais celles empruntées, achetées ou volées à d'autres. 15. Le plus utile pour résoudre efficacement des problèmes n'est PAS l'amélioration des qualités humaines, mais la limitation des faiblesses humaines. 16. Pratiquement, le facteur clé pour la résolution réussie d'un problème n'est PAS la planification soigneuse et exacte, mais l'acceptation intelligentes des risques et la ferme prise de décisions. 17. Les problèmes les plus difficiles à résoudre, ne sont PAS toujours les problèmes réels et concrets, mais ceux qui sont fictifs et imaginaires. 18. N'acceptes PAS les prémisses du problème, Changez les quand cela est nécessaire et possible ! 19. Ne vous arrêtez PAS à la première solution, cherchez des alternatives ! Mais, pour les plus pointus de ceux qui résolvent des problèmes, il y a une META-REGLE, la plus importante de toutes : 20. Le grand art de la résolution de problème n'est PAS l'application sage de ces règles, mais de trouver les exceptions particulières à ces règles. --- Hope this helps. good rule for engineers, for project managers, for change management (Conduite du changement[fr]), for negociators or military. 2012/2/8 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Please help- me, yourself and the Mankind. How? Read this please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-solving-quasi-desperate-appeal.html My aim is the text translated in 100 languages till the end of this year. Please help in any way you can. Thanks! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com --
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
from discussion here I got the feeling that at a given minimum size, the answer is : Rankine Cycle turbine, maybe Organic Rankine. however the minimum size is not clear... maybe car (20-50kW) is possible. have to work on turbine, but also radiators, key problem. for CHP 7-15KW, not sure it can be efficient, but it works. for smaller power, or smaller vehicle (motor bikes, moped, bike assist)... maybe no good solution. stirling or turbines are too heavy, have low efficiency. thermoelectric devices have bad efficiency for bikeassist less that 100W mecanic , with a battery, in serial hybrid configuration, could do the job (to refill in the day/night, and push on slope about 200-500W). miniaturization will be more important than efficiency. for moped you can get 1-2kW... for motorbike it can start from few 5kW to above 50kW, but won't be fun over 10-20kW unlike today 2012/2/8 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency?
RE: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
Actually Julian Brown himself may have a decent answer for this question. A least he had one back before he “changed hats” so to speak. If not - this is also the subject of Moddel’s patent which we have discussed here as well as Brown’s ideas in other papers. The overlap is not clear. Check out all of his stuff on archive: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 The “source of heat” in Moddel is supposedly an inherent asymmetry, like the Lamb Shift or DCE – dynamical Casimir effect (perhaps it is precisely the LS) where the low energy gain per transaction is made up by the terahertz transaction rate. However, this patent has not gotten traction either. The story of Rossi vis-à-vis JS Brown is immensely curious in light of his moving from Cambridge to EPO. Someone should write a book on it. I was hoping it would be Julian, who seems to be remarkably perceptive. Maybe you are doing that instead ? Jones From: GJB hydrides? Does anybody have a good handle on the possible quantities of heat involved when protons inside a metal lattice begin paring condensation? As per this paper by Julian Brown, who estimates that such phenomena may be exhibit by metals (like Ni, Pd, Nb) with high hydrogen loading. http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0504019 Conclusion: In addition to the normal determinations of superconductivity such as the Meissner effect, the exothermy associated with the pairing phase transition would be quite considerable and should therefore by readily measurable by infra-red or calorimetric techniques. Comment: The associated proton pairs that arise could explain the decreased resistance observed by Celani, as the metal forms islands saturated with condensed proton pairs in the superconducting phase. Proton-pairing condensation would also explain the quiescence effect, when all available protons have reached a sufficiently entangled state there is no more energy to be given off by this phase change. So it would not be fusion, or a nuclear reaction of any kind, but a very novel effect none-the-less. The high temperature proton-metal superconductors could have numerous technical applications and the proton-pairing phase-change latent heat effect could be utilized like a super-efficient, solid-state heat pump, with careful design of how to expose the cell to a hot side or a cold side depending on the stage of the cycle it is in (pairing or de-pairing).
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Von: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:54 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: -- Dear Terry, ... The Defkalion people ... -- Peter, you are a very insightful person. How come? There must be something in the soil, or the air, or the thinking in Your country. The southeastern Europeans (in Romania, Bulgaria) invented writing long before the Sumerians and Egyptians, as the latest research says. Is there a smell in the air? Do you feel it? --Sorry for the deviation--
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more generaly my Javanese wife cite me a Javanese proverb... history is a tumbling barrel... sometime you are at the top, later at the bottom, but you can expect to be at the top after some time. hope it is time for the Greeks, because today it is awful. they are losing nearly half of their lifestyle (not so high anyway), abruptly and after a period of what was looking like big promises... what is shocking me, is that Praxen Defkalion, very rationally (cannot blame them in todays unregulated world) is installed in a tax paradise (Cyprus), so the billions earned with licenses won't profit their state... DGT in fact is only the local dealer for Greece... anyway that is legal. welcome in Goldman Sachs world. as if Rossi would have installed in Bahamas island. 2012/2/8 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com -- *Von:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 20:54 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]: -- Dear Terry, ... The Defkalion people ... -- Peter, you are a very insightful person. How come? There must be something in the soil, or the air, or the thinking in Your country. The southeastern Europeans (in Romania, Bulgaria) invented writing long before the Sumerians and Egyptians, as the latest research says. Is there a smell in the air? Do you feel it? --Sorry for the deviation--
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
I am intrigued in that Julians interpretation of Rossi's actions on eCatNews align very much with my impression, although I am very much observing Rossi at a distance, and his Cooper-pairing of protons is my preferred framework for a possible understanding of what is going on. He suggests that the pairing energy level is of the order of 1eV, which is a chemical reaction sort of energy. If he is right then some excess heat that is observed in some situations may be as a result of cooper pairing, and not LENR, which would mean even more care is required when doing calorimetry, in that the calorimetry should be through a process that takes the system back to the initial conditions, to exclude the possiblity that we are just measuring heat produced by cooper pairing. Also, his papers on the archive imply that Julian was at Oxford, and not Cambridge before going to the EPO, not that, I suspect this is significant. Julian looks another good addition to the characters to eventually appear in the film of the Ecat. Nigel On 08/02/2012 20:15, Jones Beene wrote: Actually Julian Brown himself may have a decent answer for this question. A least he had one back before he “changed hats” so to speak. The story of Rossi vis-à-vis JS Brown is immensely curious in light of his moving from Cambridge to EPO. Someone should write a book on it. I was hoping it would be Julian, who seems to be remarkably perceptive. Jones From: GJB hydrides? Does anybody have a good handle on the possible quantities of heat involved when protons inside a metal lattice begin paring condensation? As per this paper by Julian Brown, who estimates that such phenomena may be exhibit by metals (like Ni, Pd, Nb) with high hydrogen loading. http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0504019
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:43:28 + (GMT): Hi, [snip] The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency? ...ask the nuclear fission power industry. They do it all the time. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Of Nuclear Masses and MIT...
In reply to Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:00:09 -0800: Hi, [snip] The resulting model can then be used directly to develop a new Hamiltonian for nuclei in a lattice that includes the coupling consistent with a many-particle Dirac formulation. Interestingly, the model that results seems to include a relativistic effect which provides a *direct coupling between the lattice motion and excitations in the nucleus*. ..not to mention the fact that the nucleus becomes excited by adding nucleons, which is definitely going to change the mass. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/08/cern-recognizes-lenrs-widom-larsen-theory/ ... A general colloquium, “Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),” will take place at CERN on March 22, from 4:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the council chamber. ...
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Or Hodie mihi, cras tibi We in Romania are also in some crisis, the wages were reduced, pensions too, future dim. In my blog- see e.g.Kaltwasser Koalemos my Septoes etc I have tried to explain what happens. But it i bvious that's something systemic, the Whole and the Parts canot be more correlated The Greeks are in a very bad situation, sorry for them. Peter On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: more generaly my Javanese wife cite me a Javanese proverb... history is a tumbling barrel... sometime you are at the top, later at the bottom, but you can expect to be at the top after some time. hope it is time for the Greeks, because today it is awful. they are losing nearly half of their lifestyle (not so high anyway), abruptly and after a period of what was looking like big promises... what is shocking me, is that Praxen Defkalion, very rationally (cannot blame them in todays unregulated world) is installed in a tax paradise (Cyprus), so the billions earned with licenses won't profit their state... DGT in fact is only the local dealer for Greece... anyway that is legal. welcome in Goldman Sachs world. as if Rossi would have installed in Bahamas island. 2012/2/8 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com -- *Von:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 20:54 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]: -- Dear Terry, ... The Defkalion people ... -- Peter, you are a very insightful person. How come? There must be something in the soil, or the air, or the thinking in Your country. The southeastern Europeans (in Romania, Bulgaria) invented writing long before the Sumerians and Egyptians, as the latest research says. Is there a smell in the air? Do you feel it? --Sorry for the deviation-- -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
While I don't think Stirling are good for larger sizes I do think that they might work well for 0.2-3kW. Stirling engines were in large volume production 100 years ago for small output applications (though they were big and heavy), and the cost is less of a negative factor for small sizes if they work well and can run for 10's of thousands of hours (which some low output stirling engines like Infinia, Microgen and Whispergen can). While at the moment those engines still cost $2-3000 per kW and are very heavy (10's of kg per kW), the cost might come down by a factor of 3 or more in mass production, and they do have good efficiency of up to 30%. Steam engines will be very strong competition, It's amazing how small and powerful they are (competitive with IC engines). Check out cyclone power http://www.cyclonepower.com/ to see how good they might be (claiming 150kg, 75kW, and up to 30% efficient from a 6 cylinder radial steam engine integrated with heater and condenser). But steam is also very dangerous in a crash, and their might be reliability/life issues. I don't think I would want to ride a motorbike with steam storage between my legs, and might also be a bit concerned with it in a car. On 8 February 2012 20:03, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: from discussion here I got the feeling that at a given minimum size, the answer is : Rankine Cycle turbine, maybe Organic Rankine. however the minimum size is not clear... maybe car (20-50kW) is possible. have to work on turbine, but also radiators, key problem. for CHP 7-15KW, not sure it can be efficient, but it works. for smaller power, or smaller vehicle (motor bikes, moped, bike assist)... maybe no good solution. stirling or turbines are too heavy, have low efficiency. thermoelectric devices have bad efficiency for bikeassist less that 100W mecanic , with a battery, in serial hybrid configuration, could do the job (to refill in the day/night, and push on slope about 200-500W). miniaturization will be more important than efficiency. for moped you can get 1-2kW... for motorbike it can start from few 5kW to above 50kW, but won't be fun over 10-20kW unlike today 2012/2/8 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency?
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
in their answer on Triggering method, http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Defkalion have talk about a well know Heat after death that is purely chemical There is a predictable very limited heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. 2012/2/8 Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk He suggests that the pairing energy level is of the order of 1eV, which is a chemical reaction sort of energy.
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
yest, even below 400C, at 300C+ if I remember, but with minimum Megawatt power, if not Gigawatt... who knows what is the smallest efficient rankine turbine ? 2012/2/8 mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:43:28 + (GMT): Hi, [snip] The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency? ...ask the nuclear fission power industry. They do it all the time. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Fund Drive for S. Africa Trip to See New #1 Free Energy Technology http://pesn.com/2012/02/07/9602034_Fund_Drive_for_S._Africa_Trip_to_See_New_Number_1_Free_Energy_Technology/ A week ago today, I found an email in my inbox that had been sent to me on November 28 that I had overlooked. It was from a person representing a company in South Africa stating that they had a Fuel Free Generator, and that they had seven working prototypes with outputs ranging from 5.5 kilowatts to 60 kW. Included in the email were a couple of pdf documents: a FAQ and a brochure. ... The system is allegedly a solid-state (no moving parts) device that picks up energy from the environment (the wheelwork of nature, as Tesla described it) while alternating power between two battery banks. And it would cost less than grid power. From the best that I can understand, it is probably closest to the Bedini / Bearden type of technology. The company's first 200 devices, each with a power output of 5 kW, are set to be completed in March, with customers already lined up; with a production rate of 200/month at first, ramping up to 500/month, but that's just for the S. African market. They are entertaining licensing to manufacture the technology elsewhere in the world as well. And they claim to have third party testing results. So they invited me to come see for myself, and to buy a unit to test for myself, which they would refund if it didn't work as described. We wish to invite you to our facility in South Africa to see, understand and test for yourself. This way you will report based on proven facts. Alternatively we could sell you a 5kW unit for testing purposes. If we do not prove our technology we will cover 100% of your travel and land arrangement costs. . (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
RE: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
This would be a good time to bring up the recurrent issue of RF as a stimulant for gain in Ni-H. This is in the context of the Lamb shift and a resonant cavity for RF. Rossi claims to use RF but DGT does not – so it is not clear that RF itself is important, since apparently good gain can be had without it. RF could also be inadvertent, in one sense, so we are not sure that gain can truly be had without it. Furthermore, if you study the material on the Lamb Shift, the frequency of ~1GHz comes up like the smile of the Cheshire cat. This would be roughly a 30 cm wavelength and a tiny fraction of an eV equivalent. It is no wonder that everyone in mainstream fizzix writes off any possibility that the Lamb Shift has any relevance to thermal gain. After all, it is a QED effect and that means low probability. Low probability times low delta-T gives you nada. Never mind that tunneling is a QM effect, and once upon a time, tunneling also meant low probability. That was before Intel showed that its CPU chips could control tunneling at THz rates. Even so, few of us are convinced that the Lamb Shift is the place to look for gain, since we had hoped that Moddel would have shown it by now - but if RF does turn up in any analysis of the DGT in any harmonic related a GHz – then things could change. Wonder if they have thought to scope the reactor itself? Finally - it is not impossible, even in DGT, that RF could be an unplanned function of resonance in the cavity itself combined with the ‘virtual’ superconductivity of paired protons ala JS Brown !! See the information on the Watkins-Ridley-Hilsum effect or the Gunn effect. Caveat: Inadvertent RF is remotely possible but admittedly is not likely (that comment is for Günter). Of course, significant thermal gain itself is not likely either. It looks like the Defkalion reactor would have an internal cavity of about 15 cm or half a wavelength, no? … and maybe a quarter wl on the diameter? Just saying… Actually Julian Brown himself may have a decent answer for this question. A least he had one back before he “changed hats” so to speak. If not - this is also the subject of Moddel’s patent which we have discussed here as well as Brown’s ideas in other papers. The overlap is not clear. Check out all of his stuff on archive: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 The “source of heat” in Moddel is supposedly an inherent asymmetry, like the Lamb Shift or DCE – dynamical Casimir effect (perhaps it is precisely the LS) where the low energy gain per transaction is made up by the terahertz transaction rate. However, this patent has not gotten traction either. The story of Rossi vis-à-vis JS Brown is immensely curious in light of his moving from Cambridge to EPO. Someone should write a book on it. I was hoping it would be Julian, who seems to be remarkably perceptive. Maybe you are doing that instead ? Jones From: GJB hydrides? Does anybody have a good handle on the possible quantities of heat involved when protons inside a metal lattice begin paring condensation? As per this paper by Julian Brown, who estimates that such phenomena may be exhibit by metals (like Ni, Pd, Nb) with high hydrogen loading. http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0504019 Conclusion: In addition to the normal determinations of superconductivity such as the Meissner effect, the exothermy associated with the pairing phase transition would be quite considerable and should therefore by readily measurable by infra-red or calorimetric techniques. Comment: The associated proton pairs that arise could explain the decreased resistance observed by Celani, as the metal forms islands saturated with condensed proton pairs in the superconducting phase. Proton-pairing condensation would also explain the quiescence effect, when all available protons have reached a sufficiently entangled state there is no more energy to be given off by this phase change. So it would not be fusion, or a nuclear reaction of any kind, but a very novel effect none-the-less. The high temperature proton-metal superconductors could have numerous technical applications and the proton-pairing phase-change latent heat effect could be utilized like a super-efficient, solid-state heat pump, with careful design of how to expose the cell to a hot side or a cold side depending on the stage of the cycle it is in (pairing or de-pairing). attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:16:43 -0800: Hi, [snip] Let's don't go there. ...you just did. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:20:35 +0100: Hi, [snip] in their answer on Triggering method, http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Defkalion have talk about a well know Heat after death that is purely chemical There is a predictable very limited heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. IOW they are telling you that the chemical aspect is irrelevant, and the real heat comes from a nuclear process (in their opinion). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
their white paper http://www.cyclonepower.com/PDF/Cyclone%20Engine%20White%20Paper.pdf present their rankine engine concept. it seems that direct drive is possible, since torke can be very high at starting. weight and power is ok... with LENR maybe the throttle will be less easy to control... maybe ther is a way to control power by throttling the steam/venting it. maybe a parallel hybrid could be used... they say that the total consumption with gasoline was quite normal, so with lenr efficiency should be correct... new ideas. 2012/2/8 Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com While I don't think Stirling are good for larger sizes I do think that they might work well for 0.2-3kW. Stirling engines were in large volume production 100 years ago for small output applications (though they were big and heavy), and the cost is less of a negative factor for small sizes if they work well and can run for 10's of thousands of hours (which some low output stirling engines like Infinia, Microgen and Whispergen can). While at the moment those engines still cost $2-3000 per kW and are very heavy (10's of kg per kW), the cost might come down by a factor of 3 or more in mass production, and they do have good efficiency of up to 30%. Steam engines will be very strong competition, It's amazing how small and powerful they are (competitive with IC engines). Check out cyclone power http://www.cyclonepower.com/ to see how good they might be (claiming 150kg, 75kW, and up to 30% efficient from a 6 cylinder radial steam engine integrated with heater and condenser). But steam is also very dangerous in a crash, and their might be reliability/life issues. I don't think I would want to ride a motorbike with steam storage between my legs, and might also be a bit concerned with it in a car. On 8 February 2012 20:03, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: from discussion here I got the feeling that at a given minimum size, the answer is : Rankine Cycle turbine, maybe Organic Rankine. however the minimum size is not clear... maybe car (20-50kW) is possible. have to work on turbine, but also radiators, key problem. for CHP 7-15KW, not sure it can be efficient, but it works. for smaller power, or smaller vehicle (motor bikes, moped, bike assist)... maybe no good solution. stirling or turbines are too heavy, have low efficiency. thermoelectric devices have bad efficiency for bikeassist less that 100W mecanic , with a battery, in serial hybrid configuration, could do the job (to refill in the day/night, and push on slope about 200-500W). miniaturization will be more important than efficiency. for moped you can get 1-2kW... for motorbike it can start from few 5kW to above 50kW, but won't be fun over 10-20kW unlike today 2012/2/8 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com The next billion dollar question: How to get electricity from say 400°C with minimal cost/maximum efficiency?
RE: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
-Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer Also, his papers on the archive imply that Julian was at Oxford, and not Cambridge before going to the EPO, not that I suspect this is significant. ... oops, right you are... it could be slightly significant. On the 'left coast' of the USA, we tend to think of Oxford as being more conservative (and slightly more respected) than Cambridge ... Pardon me if I am stepping on anyone's toes here. We're rather provincial in California, you know. Julian is probably a genius either way - but the fact that he is not merely open-minded about LENR, but can explain it lucidly (or at least offers great insight) and at the same time is/was associated with a most conservative and respected institution ... that is nice to know.
[Vo]:Re: FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
found the entry at CERN http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=177379 2012/2/8 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/08/cern-recognizes-lenrs-widom-larsen-theory/ ... A general colloquium, “Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),” will take place at CERN on March 22, from 4:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the council chamber. ...
RE: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
At 07:41 AM 2/8/2012, Robert Leguillon wrote: This is a lot of aluminum consumption. These are back-of-the-napkin-style calculations, so I apologize if I've missed something, but (unless I've made a large mistake) it appears that: So, we currently produce hydrogen at approx. $.006048/mole, and the amazing new method is $.03907/mole? Its roughly 6.45x more expensive? It's great that they are achieving great strides in catalysis modeling, but this looks to be an excellent way to ruin aluminum feedstock. There are some industrial uses for Aluminum oxide (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_oxide). Industrially, there may factories that could use aluminum scrap material to both supply hydrogen power generation for the factory, and harvest the aluminum oxide byproduct for use in their production processes. Absent that, am I missing something? The best info I can come up with on Aluminum-Oxide to Aluminum recycling is : http://www.balcoindia.com/operation/pdf/Aluminium-Production-Process.pdf which indicates electrical use of about 14,000 kWH / 1kG of Al. Can anyone calculate the kWH per 1kG Al GENERATED by this CC system? That would give a rough COP (ignoring transport costs).
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
Yes, that heat after death, is simply the payback of a cool before birth... they talk about it because it is important for the stability of the reactor true however they don't talk on nuclear heat far after death, like the one you can expect for alpha/beta disintegration... but this might be their trade secret for patent 2012/2/8 mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:20:35 +0100: Hi, [snip] in their answer on Triggering method, http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Defkalion have talk about a well know Heat after death that is purely chemical IOW they are telling you that the chemical aspect is irrelevant, and the real heat comes from a nuclear process (in their opinion).
RE: [Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
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Re: [Vo]:Re: FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
From Alain: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=177379 Note that the last paragraph states the following: A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain several experimental anomalies in LENR. A brief description of a weak interaction model shall be presented that claims to explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far. I like the term: A BRIEF description of a weak interaction model will be presented... Methinks these guys are holding their cards very close to the vest. This announcement does not strike me as outright recognition of the W-L theory as Krivit would seem to be insinuating and promoting. Note that Krivit's blog page states in bold letters: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/08/cern-recognizes-lenrs-widom-larsen-theory/ Yeah, right. Neither does CERN's announcement strike me as an endorsement of the theory either. The W-L theory is only one of many possible theories for which CERN will BRIEFLY touch on. Nothing wrong with letting the W-L camp have their day in court. Be that as it may, I suspect Mr. Krivit would would have preferred that CERN had stated something to the effect that they are seriously investigating the merits of the W-L theory. I suspect from Krivit's POV it would help justify his on-going objective of promoting what appears to be a very strong personal belief that the W-L theory is the only way to go. Since CERN didn't actually say that they are recognizing or promoting the theory, looks to me like Krivit decided to put those words in their mouth. If I had been involved in running the CERN colloquium I think I would have been a little irked by Mr. Krivit's insinuations. PS: At 16h00 they will serve Tea and coffee. Makes me wonder how they will heat the tea. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Re: FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
Yogendra is a long time collaborator of Widom and Larsen. You can see this here: http://www.northeastern.edu/physics/people/faculty/yogi-srivastava/ Now, Celani is being dragged into this nonsense. One of the saddest thing about this it is that DD reaction, which is verified to happen, is dismissed, while extremely vague claims of fusion are considered true, like fusion inside chickens and oil wells. 2012/2/8 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com From Alain: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=177379 Note that the last paragraph states the following: A plethora of theoretical models have been proposed to explain several experimental anomalies in LENR. A brief description of a weak interaction model shall be presented that claims to explain almost ALL of the anomalous effects found so far. I like the term: A BRIEF description of a weak interaction model will be presented... Methinks these guys are holding their cards very close to the vest. This announcement does not strike me as outright recognition of the W-L theory as Krivit would seem to be insinuating and promoting. Note that Krivit's blog page states in bold letters: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/08/cern-recognizes-lenrs-widom-larsen-theory/ Yeah, right. Neither does CERN's announcement strike me as an endorsement of the theory either. The W-L theory is only one of many possible theories for which CERN will BRIEFLY touch on. Nothing wrong with letting the W-L camp have their day in court. Be that as it may, I suspect Mr. Krivit would would have preferred that CERN had stated something to the effect that they are seriously investigating the merits of the W-L theory. I suspect from Krivit's POV it would help justify his on-going objective of promoting what appears to be a very strong personal belief that the W-L theory is the only way to go. Since CERN didn't actually say that they are recognizing or promoting the theory, looks to me like Krivit decided to put those words in their mouth. If I had been involved in running the CERN colloquium I think I would have been a little irked by Mr. Krivit's insinuations. PS: At 16h00 they will serve Tea and coffee. Makes me wonder how they will heat the tea. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: FYI: CERN Recognizes LENRs, Widom-Larsen Theory
note that the inviting scientist is Greek (studied and working in france for CERN) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatios_Antoniadis http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.aspx?ref=BVNavfrom=to=ena=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIgnatios_Antoniadis seems to be no link, but coincidence is fun. 2012/2/9 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com PS: At 16h00 they will serve Tea and coffee. Makes me wonder how they will heat the tea. ;-)
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
Julian's Cooper pair proposal could result in a cooling after death. If we assume that the reactor is cooling anyway, and that as a result protons are moving out of the Nickel lattice, which would require/result in the breaking of the cooper pairs which would take, rather than release energy, which is the energy that was originally released when the pairs formed. This would serve to make calorimetry more difficult, but Defkalion are right IMHO that any such endothermic-exothermic circle has no effect on the COP, although I am not convinced that 'chemical' would be the best description of this particular circle. Nigel On 08/02/2012 21:20, Alain Sepeda wrote: in their answer on Triggering method, http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Defkalion have talk about a well know Heat after death that is purely chemical There is a predictable very limited heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. 2012/2/8 Nigel Dyerl...@thedyers.org.uk He suggests that the pairing energy level is of the order of 1eV, which is a chemical reaction sort of energy.
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*SUPER-RULE INCLUDED, COMPLETE LIST OF PROBLEM SOLVING RULES/LISTA COMPLETA DE REGRAS PARA RESOLVER PROBLEMAS, SUPER REGRA INCLUÍDA. Many thanks to those friends who have promoted these rules.Now the last, Super-rule is included. Muito obrigado a todos amigos que têm divulgados estas regras. Agora inclui-se a última, a Super Regra. Only my proverbial modesty stops me to call the Rules providential, but they are and many problems will learn this fast. Somente minha característica modéstia faz com que eu não chame as Regras de providência divina, mas elas são, e muito se aprenderá ao resolver problemas Apply the Rules without hesitation! Apliquem as Regras sem hesitar! MY PROBLEM SOLVING RULES MINHAS REGRAS PARA RESOLVER PROBLEMAS by Peter Gluck (June 2011) por Peter Bluck (Junho de 2011) Motto(s): Mandamento(s): “The problems are here to be solved.” “Os problemas estão aqui para ser resolvidos.” “My aim: to solve Mankind’s’s real problems.” “Meu objetivo: resolver os verdadeiros problemas da Humanidade” *“ I think, I exist. I decide I live. I solve problems, I live with a purpose.” Eu penso, eu existo. Eu decido viver. Eu resolvo problems, eu vivo com um propósito. 1. There are NO isolated problems, they always come in dynamic bunches 1. NÃO há problemas isolados, eles vêm sempre em conjuntos dinâmicos. 2. There are NO final solutions for the really great problems, these have to be solved again and again. 2. NÃO há soluções finais para os problemas que são realmente grandes, estes devem ser resolvidos várias e várias vezes. 3. NOT solving the problem, but defining it is the critical step . 3. NÃO resolver o problema, mas defini-lo é o passo crítico. 4. NOT the unknown data, but those known and untrue are the greatest obstacle to ths solution. 4. NÃO é o dado desconhecido, mas aqueles que são conhecidos e inverdadeiros que são obstáculos para a solução. 5. .NOT what we know, but what we don’t know is more important for solving the problem. 5. NÃO é o que sabemos, mas é o que não sabemos, o mais importante para resolver o problema. 6. NOT the main desired positive effect, but those secondary negative and/or undesired effects decide in most cases if a solution is implemented. 6. NÃO é o principal efeito desejado, mas aqueles secundários e/ou efeitos indesejados que decidem na maior parte dos casos se uma solução é implementada. 7. NOT all problems have a complete, genuine solution. 7. NÃO são todos os problemas que tem uma solução complete e genuína. 8 .NOT the solutions that seem perfect from the start, but those which are very perfectible are the best in many cases. 8 NÃO são as melhores soluções que parecem perfeitas de início, mas, na maior parte dos casos, são aquelas capazes de ser muito aprimoradas. 9. NOT the bright, shiny, spectacular solutions but those elaborated, worked out with difficulty and effort and patience are more valuable and have a larger area of applicability. 9. NÃO são as soluções brilhantes, inovadoras, espetaculares que são as mais valiosas e tem grande alcance de aplicação, mas sim, são aquelas trabalhadas com dificuldade e esforço e paciência. 10.NOT the solutions that are logical and perfectly rational, but those that are adequate for the feelings of the potential users, even if they are ilogical, have the greatest chances of fast implementation. 10. NÃO são as soluções que são lógicas e perfeitamente racionais, mas aquelas que são adequadas para os sentimentos dos potenciais beneficiais, mesmo que sejam ilógicas, que tem as maiores chances de implementação rápida. 11. NOT the quality of the solution but the speed of its implementaion is the decisive factor in many cases. It can be better to have a partial solution applied fast than a slower almost perfect solution. 11.NÃO é a qualidade da solução mas a velocidade de sua implementação o fator decisivo em muitos casos. É melhor ter uma solução parcial aplicada rápida que uma que uma perfeita, mas que é mais lenta. 12. NOT always long hours of hard work and great efforts, but (sometimes) relaxation and fun is the best way to obtain solutions for (awfully) difficult problems. 12. NÃO é sempre que longas horas de trabalhao árduo e grandes esforços a melhor maneira de obtecer resultados para problemas (terrivelmente) difíceis, mas (as vezes) um pouco de descanço e diversão. 13. NOT our own problems, but the problems of other people are usually more boldly and creatively solved by us 13. NÃO são nossos problemas, mas os problemas dos outros que nós podemos resolver mais coragem e criatividade. 14 NOT the solutions worked out by us, but those borrowed. bought or stolen from others are more easily accepted and implemented. 14 NÃO são as soluções inventadas por nós, mas aquelas emprestadas, compradas ou roubadas dos outros que são mais facilmente aceitas e implementadas. 15 NOT the enhancement of human strengths but the limitation of human weaknesses is more useful for efficient problem solving 15 NÃO é
Re: [Vo]:Excess heat due to proton pairing in metal hydrides?
they seems to talk of a differente circle, more powerful : the chemical (covalent link) cycle : H2- H H - H2 what the paper talk about is more a Cooper link 2012/2/9 Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk Julian's Cooper pair proposal could result in a cooling after death. If we assume that the reactor is cooling anyway, and that as a result protons are moving out of the Nickel lattice, which would require/result in the breaking of the cooper pairs which would take, rather than release energy, which is the energy that was originally released when the pairs formed. This would serve to make calorimetry more difficult, but Defkalion are right IMHO that any such endothermic-exothermic circle has no effect on the COP, although I am not convinced that 'chemical' would be the best description of this particular circle. Nigel On 08/02/2012 21:20, Alain Sepeda wrote: in their answer on Triggering method, http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=**5983#p5983http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Defkalion have talk about a well know Heat after death that is purely chemical There is a predictable very limited heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. 2012/2/8 Nigel Dyerl...@thedyers.org.uk He suggests that the pairing energy level is of the order of 1eV, which is a chemical reaction sort of energy.
