Dear Hugh,
At 09:19 PM 11/28/2002, you wrote:
Dear Barry,
I really appreciate your on-going tutelage concerning ORMUS.
I will continue to post as I come across things that relate.
I haven't gotten it together to collect any yet, though I probably do rather
inadvertantly with some of my
Title: Re: What is Magic?
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From:
Moen Creek
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:31
PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Although this is the major argument why grassfed is
not truly sustainable, aren't a lot
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Moen Creek
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Michelle,
Allan is right. A LOT of nutrients can come from the atmosphere. Out your way a lo
Dear Hugh,
At 10:48 AM 11/28/2002, you wrote:
Allan is right. A LOT of nutrients can come from the atmosphere. Out your
way a lot can disappear into the atmosphere, can't they? What goes up
must come down. Where does the topsoil/fine organic matter go when it
blows off from neighboring
Dear Barry,
I really appreciate your on-going tutelage concerning ORMUS. I haven't
gotten it together to collect any yet, though I probably do rather
inadvertantly with some of my radionic/biodynamic techniques. But keep on
schooling me. Sorry I was unable to attend your workshop in Waynesville.
I hadn't even considered that I was depleting the soil
doing this. I guess that I struggle with that concept. Isn't this really
how nature's system works and nutrients get recycled?
Michelle - In nature's system the animal's carcass and all the
nutrients stockpiled therein also eventually
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From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Hugh-
Thanks for your thoughts. I do believe that we are learning and are doing
more things right than wrong. I believe we
Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Allan - David -
Michelle wrote
I hadn't even considered that I was depleting the soil
doing this. I guess that I struggle with that concept. (that grazing
green
Hi David
Point I was trying to make was if we put excess material into
the system too close to the next crop - and then have to use more
cultivation (disking twice?) to encourage breakdown we are going round in
circles - the cycle must be back in balance by time we seed the
Title: Re: What is Magic?
Although this is the major argument why grassfed is not truly
sustainable, aren't a lot of nutrients also coming from the
atmosphere so that it is possible recycle manure while harvesting
meat and still be break-even on the nutrient scale(s)?
-Allan
As so Often
Michelle wrote
That has led us back to bringing cattle on the farm. We intend to learn
to
put as much standing feed through our animals as we can. That includes
planting oats as a green manure crop early in March and grazing before
corn
planting in May, grazing on cover crops planted behind
Michelle: Green manure crops work best if turned back in with as much bulk
as possible. Feeding off to livestock is just not the same unless you
collect the manure and compost it and respread it. In fact by feeding it off
you are depleting your soil and unless you have high biological activity the
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From: D S Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Michelle: Green manure crops work best if turned back in with as much bulk
as possible. Feeding off to livestock is just not the same
I hadn't even considered that I was depleting the soil
doing this. I guess that I struggle with that concept. Isn't this really
how nature's system works and nutrients get recycled?
Michelle - In nature's system the animal's carcass and all the
nutrients stockpiled therein also eventually
Dear Allan - David -
Michelle wrote
I hadn't even considered that I was depleting the soil
doing this. I guess that I struggle with that concept. (that grazing
green crops is detrimental - me too)
In my kind of rainfall environment it takes a season to grow a bulky green
manure crop, if
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From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
So sandy land can be good, even though I'd prefer clay. I bet you could
grow good potatoes on your sand anyway.
if anyone can put
Dear Lloyd,
A visit to Australia by Hugh to show us how he fixes Nitrogen from the air
would be a worthwhile thing, without anything else that we may be able to
learn from being with him.
KNOW we can do a different agriculture with homeopathics and radionics,
despite the fact that the market
I would have thought
you'd get a group in Santa Fe easy - maybe the title scared them off?
Lloyd, Hugh, et al -
My impression is that the event was not publicized very well. I'm a
Bioneer associate and I receieved no direct mail or email on this
event. I imagine that the Bioneer people
Lloyd,
The BD remedies in the broadcaster set up the conditions, but, of course,
if the soil is dead it helps enormously to apply some compost to get the
micro-organisms cooking.
If the soil is already biologically alive no compost may be needed. We
planted a couple acre corn field this year on
and blood
vessels, 505--skeleton, 506--liver, 507--metabolism, 508--skin and hair. If
any one is missing the organism is in trouble.
Best,
Hugh
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From: The Korrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic
Why don't you try reaching out to the pagan community, a more earth based
'religion' than the so called new age.
(Allan wrote:)
or, I guess, rain making, are of no interest to the New Age crowd, at
least in the US.
I wonder how many of these same people who didn't attend your conference
will
Why don't you try reaching out to the pagan community, a more earth based
'religion' than the so called new age.
When I said 'New Age,' I was, carelessly or not, including Pagans.
I think it is important to remember that biodynamics is an evolved
discipline. For the most part, the current
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:27:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: What is Magic?
My post was not intended to be about marketing per se, but simply an
aknowledgement of what a small percentage of the population is
interested in farming with subtle
Dear Hugh
We have Cheryl working on this and I am really looking
forward to your visit if it can be organised - so we'll keep our fingers
crossed - she usually manages to get things to happen. I would have thought
you'd get a group in Santa Fe easy - maybe the title scared
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From: The Korrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
What kind of farm do you have?
Dear Christy,
We will farm 21 pivots for 03 season (each 130 irrigated acres). We will
have corn, kidney
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From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
We farm 2300 acres in southern Australia and are, like you, in the middle
of trying to
convert away from chemicals.
Dear Lloyd-
I have
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From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Michelle,
There's no doubt you have really got the restorational bug. Now you are
making BC and
considering how to get
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Hey Michelle, you have not short circuited, you have plugged in and your
molecules are getting rearranged. You have asked for help and you
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From: Jack Wendell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Lloyd-
.
I also wanted to ask you where in southern Australia you were. My husband
is going on what I call his walkabout on Nov 30
Jack Wendell wrote: But my biggest concern is putting the wrong preps in at
the wrong times for what is needed out there!?!?!?
Hi! Jack,
Congratulations on working on such a large scale, with what must be quite an
investment.
As for timing. Have you read both of Hugh Lovel's books? He lays it
Michelle Wendell wrote: My husband is going on what I call his walkabout on
Nov 30, and coming to look at your country.
Hi! Michelle,
I am out side the sort of area you would be interested in looking at moving to,
but I am happy to talk off line, if Jack wants some information.
On this list,
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From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Michelle,
If you can manage to make barrel compost and apply it via your irrigation
system, you will be applying actual microi-organisms
On 11 Nov 02, Hugh Lovel wrote:
No doubt we all get to put up with a lot. But personally I have a
tendency to be offended by such pitches. I guess I'm a reluctant
huck, so I'm also a reluctant huckster.
Hugh... woven through Roger's post was a thread that had nothing to
do with
Hugh Lovel wrote:
So I pass the ball back to you and invite you to brainstorm with me how do
I make this real to farmers? I guarantee they will make more money doing
things the way I teach. How do I get the word out?
YES!! RUSH me my instant *ULTIMATE* Dowsing and Rainmaking Kit in its
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
In a message dated 11/10/02 10:37:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Most everyone here thinks I have short
circuited somewhere. I guess what I wanted to say here is thank you for all
of your thoughts on this site. I feel so strongly that I am supposed to be
learning these things. Allan
Dear Roger,
No doubt we all get to put up with a lot. But personally I have a tendency
to be offended by such pitches. I guess I'm a reluctant huck, so I'm also a
reluctant huckster.
Best,
Hugh
Hugh Lovel wrote:
So I pass the ball back to you and invite you to brainstorm with me how do
I
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From: Peter Michael Bacchus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Hi Peter
Thanks for the suggestions - we are just about to start some compost for
next years pre sowing brews and I have proper
Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets
2 people will come.
Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you
had better rent a huge hall.
Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell
farmers how to make money fast (Joel
AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Have a meeting for farmer on how to organize cooperative markets
2 people will come.
Have a class on how to get 2 blades of grass instead of one you
had better rent a huge hall.
Maybe I missed the point of the above, Markess, but in our area, tell
farmers
: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Dear Michelle
Thanks for coming on the list with this post - We farm 2300
acres in southern Australia and are, like you, in the middle of trying to
convert away from chemicals. Ours is only a small scale operation in
commercial dollar terms, but we crop 1000 acres of dryland cereals,
Go Go, Jack
you are starting. I'm reading and have much to learn.
Per Garp/NH
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From: Jack Wendell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?
Hello-
I am new here and writing on this site makes my
Dear Allan,
Your point is taken seriously by me. I got into farming because I wanted
highest quality and I could see no one was into it. I want to make money
but I didn't put it first. Nevertheless since my premise was to make my
farming pay its own way as proof of its efficacy, money was high on
speed
Gil
Roger Pye wrote:
Merla Barberie said:
I am going to learn how to dowse. I'm going to make me a ceramic piece
for the end of the string.
I'm going to dowse soil tests.
What is magic? A skill we meet but haven't come across before,
technology we haven't used or don't
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From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: What is Magic?
technology we haven't used or don't understand, concepts we may scoff at
which actually do work.
Hi All
I just recieved from my
: Re: What is Magic?
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From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: What is Magic?
technology we haven't used or don't understand, concepts we may scoff
at which actually do work.
Hi All
I just
Hi! Lloyd
Yes please, I would be very interested to see them.
Gil
Lloyd Charles wrote:
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From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: What is Magic?
technology we haven't used or don't understand
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