I mix it with mineral at the rate of 1 oz to 1 qt oil, then with a 1/8
inch hole in the cap of a squeeze bottle, apply a line from the back of
the head to the tail right down the center of the back. I have also
mixed 1 oz to 1 gallon and sprayed them, but the mineral oil works the
best. I
IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours,
then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for
coccidia. Sulfa also works.
There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a
problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick
here is a link
http://www.case-agworld.com/cAw.LUcocc.html
Cecil in OKla
Dayna Denmark wrote:
Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the
sheep and the weather you have been experiencing.
Dayna Denmark
Half Ass Acres
I would not worry with the fecal before treating for coccidia. In sheep
Time is of the essence. The flocking instinct is so great that they are
nearly half dead when most humans note a problem. I have lived and
worked with my girls for over 10 years. I feel that a problem shows u
first in
When dealing with all things in nature, I have learned to never say
never, but cross species breeding is indeed rare if not impossible.
The only problem i have heard of running goats with blackbellies is that
the goats will but the blackbellies and injur them.
Blackbellies are a natural hair
I would just like to say that I am usually the one on this list to give
advice on drugs wormers etc to list members when they have a problem,
but I really do not like to use them. Many times I let my girls go for
a while to see if their own immune system or their own remedies will
suffice if
That is a great idea about the Guava. I will try to keep that trick in
my head for the next time I have a problem. It is so much safer on
kidneys than Sulmet boluses.
Cecil in OKla
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aloha,
It looks like I'm the local orphan feeder. I have a Nubian about a week
I hope all your animals get along with your flock. I had a bad
experience with a 3 yr old quarter horse mare and one of my lambs. She
reached over the pen and crushed its head. So, I would be very wary of
my horses and the sheep. I had no problems with my 20 yr old gelding
though, I think
Have you wormed them? Lately?
I would worm the entire flock with Ivomec drench or Panacur
Cecil in OKla
Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote:
Just an updated on my issue with sheep dieing.
I ended up treating with Corid (amprolium) - assuming it was Coccidia.
I directly drenched the
I would agree with Dayna's recommendation, B12 will also stimulate
appetite.
Cecil in OKla
Dayna Denmark wrote:
Just a thought here. Could be a colbalt defiency also known as a B12 defiency.
Sheep seem to be much more vunerable to disease if the levels are low in their
feed. I would
Contact your local Animal Damage Control unit of the USDA. usually they
have an office in the state ag department. They will trap coyotes.
LGDs and LLamas are great, but to get rid of the problem you cannot beat
a trap. You will probably find dogs running with the coyotes also. If
you can
I think LymDyp is the old Lime Sulfur Dip that Vets around here have
used for centuries.. It works!!!
Cecil in OKla
Bonnie Chandler wrote:
Yes, LymDyp works great for fungus-like infestations, which I have
occasionally seen on the legs or other parts of the body on goats. I've
also used it
Carol:
It was my understanding that the comment period ended the Friday after
thanksgiving, unless they extended it
Cecil in OKla
Carol J. Elkins wrote:
Hmmm, the email address that the EPA provided for comments no longer works:
Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently:
My first question would be if the rings are the black ones or the green
doughnut ones. I have castrated Blackbelly rams as old as 10 years with
bands. I used the callicrate bander for the big ones. I am a firm
believer in this bloodless castration method. I have used in on calves
when they
I would definitely recommend Blackbellies for new sheep owners. I am
sure there are some in Alberta, look a the breeder list, or do a google
search for Blackbellies or Barbado or Barbadoes or Hair sheep, would be
my suggestion. Welcome to the list...
Cecil in OKla
Candy Bauer wrote:
I
I have several bottle raised rams and some that are now just pets..
They were all born Dec 07 to February 08. I need to part with some of
them and just do not want to see them go to slaughter. They are not
registered, just healthy and strong...
I probably need to sell some of my ewes as the
Never seen one...
I would suggest posting on the sheep list to Helmut in Canada. He has
surely seen this..
I think I know what it is called..
Cecil in OKla
Nancy Tom Richardson wrote:
Well, heres the story, Last spring I had triplets born, 2 rams and a ewe
so I thought. I bottle fed the
Is the udder hard? If you can feel hardness rather than spongy, she may
have mastitis. Sometimes you have to get the natural wax plugs blown
out of the teat canal. If you just grasp with 2 fingers at the base of
the teat and strip down you should get something. It is very possible
that she
Mark:
Thanks for elaborating.
Cecil in OKla
The Wintermutes wrote:
Hello Michael,
First thing I would do is sit the ewe on her butt and press the udder with
my entire hand on the problem side. Look and see if the teat noticeably
fills with milk. Assuming it does enlarge look for the wax plug
If the lamb was struggling in the birth canal for an hour that is too
long. Assistance was required. My ewes will have triplets in less
than 30 minutes. I would think the lamb died from stress/exhaustion.
Sorry.
Cecil in OKla
blueberryfarm wrote:
I watched a young ewe give birth to her
My vet is also a good friend and lives nearby. He stood by and waited
about 20 minutes for a ewe to lamb as the lamb was hanging halfway out
and telling me that if I kept helping them, I would always be helping
them. I told him that was just a lazy ass vet school story and pulled
the lamb
Oneta:
Have you checked to be sure she doesn't have another lamb in there??
Sounds like she may still want to labor and there is something wrong.
If you daughter has small hands, I would get a glove and shoulder sleeve
and have her find out. Mineral oil or vaseline. Smaller hands the
With a growing lamb care must be taken not to get the wrap too tight
when first wrapped as it will tighten and cut off circulation. I had
this condition in some lambs last year after injection of selenium.
(another disaster story) However they never started the heaing process
until I kept
never thought of Guava, but it should have almost everything a ruminant
needs...
Cecil in OKla
j...@netzero.net wrote:
The cure of Guava has always worked for me but then you don't have fresh guava but if you have some in the frozen juice case the sugar can't hurt either. My girls gobble all
That PVC pipe makes a great splint!! Be sure to check it often to make
sure the skin is getting enough air...
Cecil
Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote:
So I followed Nate's advise below with the exception of adding splints
made of 3/4 PVC pipe (slit in half and taped against the calf
If you are trying to correct a frothy bloat, a surfactant is needed. I
have used about 1/4 teaspoon of Palmolive green ( the old stuff) in a
pint of water through a stomach tube. You will see relief in a few
minutes.
Cecil in OKla
Paul Renee Bailey wrote:
I've tubed baking soda and water
Mark:
You jogged my memory. An enema is probably just what the little one
needs. From looking at the pictures that lamb looks like it is fine,
just small.
Also, I might add when bottle feeding if you will gently massage the
little one's belly and guts it helps the motility of the guts. This
offer her hay, feed, etc. Not sure
and the weather has gone crazy here in OK so we are not taking her out much.
oj in ok
Oneta and The Gang
www.johnsonquarterhorses.com Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!
--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net wrote:
From: Cecil
There is a group of 4 brothers from Mexico who moved up here and started
a sandblasting and painting service. I trade my ram lambs to them for
sandblasting and painting of my equipment I trade for. I tried to sell
processed lamb through the OK food coop, but the orders were so small
each
Michael:
Did you mean 30cc instead of 3cc? 2-3cc per feeding really is not
enough. I would try to get him to suck a bottle and take at least 20 cc
every 2 hours. If not then tube him with 20-30 about every 2 hours. He
needs to get a lot of nutrition right now since he is in a deficit...
Ain't it great when they get OK It is one of the best rewards a
shepherd can get...
Cecil in OKla
Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote:
A week ago I announced that one of my sheep had what I described as
contracted tendon of both forelegs at birth.
I had splinted the legs (first
Michael:
If he took 4oz at one feeding I would not tube him. He sounds like he
is well on his way to recovery. I don't like the trauma with tubing, I
always feel that it hurts the throat.
I also would bet that he becomes your best buddy for a while. My
other bottle lambs would let my
Is this ewe pregnant? Could she have a dead lamb? I would suggest
baking soda free choice. Maybe some dried beet pulp.. Is she
producing feces like normal? This time of year the weeds are coming out
faster than the grasses. She could be getting a green weed such as
sheep sours (little
My guess is that some over feeding got some undigested sugars into the
back end of the gut and caused the clostridium bacteria to flare up.
The normal fauna and flora keep everything in check. I have used pepto
bismol, but it will leave a black stain after it goes through on
anything it
Tie her head in the stall/chute where she has to look ahead, and still
can get food and water, and lay down. A small halter works well. I tie
mine to each side of the pen gate. I put feed and water below. Most of
the time the lamb can get out of the way of the hooves. After 3 days
she
If it has been cool and wet or damp in your area, it is probably rain
scald. A kind of hair fungus that comes from the wet env...
cecil in Ok
Double J Farms wrote:
I have an AB ram that is about 5 years old. This year as his winter
wool begins to shed, his hair is coming off also. No other
The Sale Barn Strikes Again!
Cecil in OKla
The Wintermutes wrote:
Read the fine print of the Macon sale for specifically sheep sales. I sold
30+ ewe lambs at Macon last Fall for around $35 each. They took a $15 per
head minimum commission. Just go in aware of their policy.
Mark
I have raised 4 bottle babies that are now in the flock and have 4 more
that were born in March that I am weaning from the bottle now. The
latest ones are in the yard with my 5 rams. So far there is really no
problem. My first bottle child is with the flock and has been there for
about 4
Let me first say that I am very sorry. These experiences are just like
an attack on your family. I had this happen about 10 years ago. I lost
8 one night. I know exactly how you feel, I lost 3 2 weeks ago and it
looks like another 2 yesterday or this morning. However, my losses are
from
Sounds like a broken neck. I have had this in 2 ewes. They get to
fighting and get a spinal chord injury.
Cecil in OKla
T Taylor wrote:
I recently came home to find an otherwise healthy looking spring ram laying on
its stomach trying to flip itself over. I tried to pick it up and it was
my advice is to put her with other guard dogs. I had a
Pyrenees/anatolian cross. He never quit chasing the sheep. Without
another dog to imprint on, I do nto think the guard characteristics ever
come out. This one was always trying to herd the other dogs. Never
could stop moving them. He
I have thought about chickens, and tried this on a limited basis. They
do provide an economical and organic method of deworming. They also eat
some of the weed seeds on the pasture. The Keer Center for sustainable
agriculture has some good plans on free range chickens. In our area, we
Bloat will be the first problem. Grazing when the dew is still on the
plant is reportedly a cause of bloat I would use this as hay and
not graze it green. Every time I have tried to give my girls some lush
growth, it proved detrimental. I would make sure that my
tetanus/overeating
My blackbellies make this guttral sound when they have a new lamb and
are cleaning it up...
Cecil in OKla
Carla Amonson wrote:
I have found in our flock that the Barbs do not make any noises except when
they have lambs-they call their babies, and both holler of they are separated.
After
Sounds like enterotoxemia. There is a site for goats that has a great
treatment and also good descriptions on enterotoxemia. I have brought 2
out of it. the sweet feed is too sweet for them. At that age they
cannot digest the sweet feed so it goes on through the gut until it
causes the
I might add that worms can play a big role in this. moving lambs to new
environments causes stress and the parasites then quickly grow. I worm
any animal that leaves here to go to new surroundings. So far none have
been lost. I use oral and feed based panacur religiously .
Cecil in OKla
An Excellent Idea! It also works great on Dogs chasing Cars..
Cecil in OKla
rexesandro...@aol.com wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I rarely post but have learned s much through this list. Thank you
to everyone for sharing. I have had AB's for almost 5 years feel that I
have something of
get from
banding or castration, tail docking, umbilical infections, or other
sources.
Also, Cecil Bearden was exactly right in his list of critical lambing
supplies. Those are the most important things to have on hand. I also
have a microwaveable heating pad to warm up cold (hypothermic
Carol:
I agree our voice was heard, however, there was another small hitch in
USDA's plans.. They can't meet their budget.. After 30 years with a
government agency, the only way to limit them is by space and funding.
If they run out of funding they will seek grants, when they are broke
and
Cathy:
Thanks for the referral on that guy. I sold him 80 lambs as I remember.
I have 20 less than I thought, I really do not know how we arrived at
the original count. It all worked out well though, as I have nto had
any wheat pasture this year and am feeding oat hay and prairie hay to
You do not say how old the lamb is. If it is a reasonable time since
birth I would use Oxytocin about 2cc. Usually can get it from a small
animal vet.
Cecil in OKla
Double J Farms wrote:
We have a young ewe mother that appears to have dried up. The lamb trys but
every time I check the milk
marc even wrote:
you may want to do a search on the web:lameness in livestock and you
will get a host of links w. useful info. Ursula
- Original Message - From: Nancy Tom Richardson
cjarr...@centurytel.net
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:09 PM
Crystal Wolf wrote:
This spring I will have had my sheep for 4 years. We purchased all
the breeding stock from 4 breeders in California and brought them to
our then home in Winnemucca, NV. Well last May we moved lock, stock
and barrel, oh and of course 16 of my sheep to NE Texas. When we
I would try probios or a type of it or just mix some colustrum in her
bottle. I have fed colustrum ro bottle babies for over 8 weeks to keep
their gut healthy. It works on some and some it doesn't.
Cecil in OKla
- Original Message -
From: Double J Farms doublejfa...@wildblue.net
Julian Hale wrote:
At 04:38 PM 3/18/2010, you wrote:
Interesting, Julian. I've always read that sulfa-based drugs have side
effects and Corid has no known/proven side effects. I got hit hard
with scours several times with our three bottle-ewes and a pygmy goat
last year. I started with
I would not rule out worms also. I would ggive a 2cc dose of panacur liquid
with the drench. It cannot hurt. Ivomec as a last last resort in a weak
animal. Panacur once every 10 days for 4 doses will get rid of most chronic
worms. It is really a shame that we have to resort to educated
That story has to be false. On the first account, a true shepherd would not
do harm to anyone in his flock!! I also notice I said anyone, not an
animal. I believe a real shepherd treats his flock as part of his family.
Go ahead and tell me that I hang around my sheep too much!I have
I use peppermint candies. They can hear the wrapper for 1/4 mile
Cecil in OKla
Carol Elkins wrote:
I have found that my popularity with my sheep has increased
significantly now that I occasionally carry a handful of dog kibble.
Several of the sheep now mob me, begging for treats. I
20 to 30 cc will be fine per feeding and I would only do this for about
every 4 hours. As Carol said you can overfeed. Pay close attention as to
how tight the belly is. If you will tie her head where she cannot butt the
lambs and let them try to suck, it may work. It will take 3 days. Be
Tom Quinn wrote:
I worked on the ewe for a couple of hours, and got nothing. She has no bag at
all. It sounded like she was letting down milk, but nothing. That and the fact
that she was butting the lambs away, led us to decide to get them warm and try
to bottle feed tonight. These little
I have a ewe that has had a dirty face for several weeks. Did not think a
lot of it intil a few days ago when I caught her and discovered that it is
from her nose running. I gave her a shot of Baytril, and I thought it
cleared up, but now it is worse than ever. We are going to try to look up
AM, Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net wrote:
I have a ewe that has had a dirty face for several weeks. Did not think a
lot of it intil a few days ago when I caught her and discovered that it is
from her nose running. I gave her a shot of Baytril, and I thought it
cleared up, but now it is worse
My experience has been that lactating ewes do best on alfalfa hay. For
grain I use corn pellets that are the dried leftovers from pressing out the
syrup in corn. It is high in protein and very digestible. For ewes with
twins I give about 4 to 6 oz a day. This stuff is really potent, and
?
Tom
- Original Message
From: Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 7:17:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] A question about grain
My experience has been that lactating ewes do best on alfalfa hay. For
grain I
use corn
The Wintermutes wrote:
Another alternative if you can buy in quantity is DDG - Dried distillery
grains.
The price ranges based on location it is usually in the $110 - 125 range per
TON here in Kansas.
It also switches from corn (yellow DDG) to milo (red DDG). It is a fine mix
like sand. The
If not kidney disease, then possible dehydration, or just not eating. The
BUN goes high when the energy balance goes negative from not eating. I
would suggest anything but a high protein diet and lots of water. Hopefully
the vet is giving IV fluids.
Cecil in OKla
- Original Message -
go to www.livestocconcepts.com and use the same dosage as cattle.
Cecil in OKla
- Original Message -
From: Kristi Brian Muck star...@flash.net
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: [Blackbelly] Worming info/dosage
What is the
If she gets hungry whe will eat roughage. Be sure it is kept fresh and
available at all times. Keeping her with the rest of your flock is best,
she will stress anytime you separate. I understand about pet sheep. We
once put over $1000 worth of IVsolution in a pet sheep to save it from
I would suspect urinary problems also, or kidney if he has been fighting
with another ram. You noted that he isareound pine trees and oak trees.
Are there any acorns or [pine cones. acorns have a lot of tannins in them
and cause digestive problems.
Cecil in OKla
- Original Message -
There is a patch available for pinkeye in cattle that would cover the eye.
I would not suggest anymore iodine as iodine tends to kill tissue. As the
optic nerve is a direct connection to the brain, stopping infection is
needed immediately. There is going to be some dead tissue if the eye is
He died! It did not present symptoms of selenium deficiency. We are very
high in selenium in this area. The wate wells have been shut in due to
selenium. This was one of the prettiest and largest lambs for his age I
have ever had. I feed pellets for the nursing ewes as we are now in a
Bob:
Most of the milk replacers are 1 part replacer to 2 parts water. I don;t
think Manna Pro is that much richer Might be I would add more
replacer, and get the nipple in her mouth and give the bottle a little
squeeze. Also be sure you are using a pritchard teat nipple. It is the
Michael:
I have attached a link to a 5/8 9 tooth coupler that might fit the shaft you
have and then weld into the pulley you are trying to adapt.
Just a thought
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=1-1495catname=powerTrans
Cecil in OKla
- Original Message -
From: Michael
, but it
would be close, and have very little play at all. I'll order a
coupler anyways, to see how tight it fits compared to the axle one I
already have.
_Michael
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Cecil Bearden crbear...@copper.net
wrote:
Michael:
I have attached a link to a 5/8 9 tooth coupler
Jerry:
I have nearly lost 2 over 12 years due to worms causing other disesase. I
have found that worming 3 times one week apart every 6 months or so works
for me. Right now we are in a drought and anything that is creating a
demand on their system is just too much... I alternate with
I thought of a cougar when I first read this post. Only animal able to jump
the fence and carry off a lamb. In southern OK, the wildlife let cougars
loose to control the deer population. They will disavow any knowledge of
this, but when they did this near our neighbor, the ones that let it
I agree, if you are feeding the recommended amount on the replacer bag,
it is about twice as much as Blackbellies need. If using milk
replacer, only use Land o Lakes or Merrick. Dumore has beef fat to
make the fat test and it is not digestible. The lamb will grow until
about 9 months
Yes I broke it down from the horse dosage. I also read that there is really
no sode effect from too much, so I made sure they got enough. In the
container there is a small measuring cup, about 2 oz . I put 5 of these to
a 1 1/2 Gal. jar of mineral and this is fed to 50 sheep. The
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