Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hi Marc, thanks for the infos. I try to give answers directly for each point. (The problem is I have a stubborn cough, for weeks already. Each day getting my work done is a challenge...) > Goncalos were on 7th of April. Just copying them here: > --- > On frisbee Go itself I used the following

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello MArc, thanks for your contribution. > I still haven't seen an exactly specified ruleset for this game. > Goncalo made some assumptions earlier, which were not yet confirmed. Oh, from what day is his posting? > Also I would strongly recommend to not have any clearup-methods > allowed,

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello, > There is no way in GTP to distinguish intentional from unintentional > passes, so I suppose the simplest way is to perform things manually. Manually would mean. In each situation the followiong has to happen: (i) The program to move proposes a move x or a PASS. (ii) In case of a move x

Re: [Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello, > There is no way in GTP to distinguish intentional from unintentional > passes, so I suppose the simplest way is to perform things manually. That is also my idea. > Maybe it is an informal tournament and time controls don't really matter. Yes, assuming that people stick to some

[Computer-go] Operators for Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello, one of the games in the Computer Olympiad in Leiden (June 27 till July 03, 2016) will be "Frisbee Go Simulation" on 9x9 boards. I am willing to operate one "foreign" program (David Fotlands bot is my first choice). And I will find operators for one or two other programs, when I know

[Computer-go] In a Chinese Go school ...

I know that this is a mailing list and not a rumors pot. Nevertheless it is interesting, what was brought together by several detectives in the German computer go forum in the last two days. Nie Weiping (9p) is the boss of one of the very best Chinese Go schools. On Thursday, his institution

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

Hello all, "Brian Sheppard" wrote: > ... This is out of line, IMO. Djhbrown asked a sensible question that has > valuable intentions. I would like to see responsible, thoughtful, and > constructive replies. there is a natural explanation why some people here react allergic

Re: [Computer-go] Densei-sen

Dear Hiroshi, many thanks for keeping us informed! Ingo. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. März 2016 um 08:06 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] Densei-sen > > SGF is here. > > (;GM[1]SZ[19] > PB[darkforest] > PW[KOBAYASHI

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo (Statistical significance of results)

Hi Darren, "Darren Cook" > ... But, there were also numerous moves where > the 9-dan pros said, that in *their* opinion, the moves were weak/wrong. > E.g. wasting ko threats for no reason. Moves even a 1p would never make. > > If you want to argue that "their opinion" was wrong

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo (Statistical significance of results)

"Lucas, Simon M" > my point is that I *think* we can say more (for example > by not treating the outcome as a black-box event, > but by appreciating the skill of the individual moves) * Human professional players were full of praise for some of AlphaGo's moves, for instance

[Computer-go] Haylee's report on the match AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol

Haylee is a 3-dan professional and secretary of the International Go Federation. She was involved in the negotiations for the match, and was also Lee Sedol's (PR) manager during the event. Now she published a very insightful 94-minutes video on Youtube:

Re: [Computer-go] NHK news of UEC Cup (with video) (in Japanese)

Hi Hideki, thanks for the link. The video is very interesting, also for people without any knowledge of Japanese (like me). Tsuchi-oto, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] NHK news of UEC Cup (with video) (in Japanese)

Hi Hideki, thanks for the information. Did you forget a/the link? *** By the way: Currently there are two bots in the top-100 of KGS: CrazyStone on rank 36 and Zen on rank 52 (both 7 dan). http://www.gokgs.com/top100.jsp Ingo. >

Re: [Computer-go] UEC cup 2nd day

Hi Hiroshi, thanks for the many updates. On another site I read that the bits on rank 1 and 2 will play exhibition matches against a pro player on Wednesday. Will those games be transmitted on KGS? Has it been decided alreay which handicap? Thanks in advance, Ingo. > Gesendet: Sonntag, 20.

Re: [Computer-go] UEC cup 1st day result

Hello Hiroshi, thanks for the information. WHo are the peolbe behind CGI Go? Which hardware is used by the top participants in UEC cup? Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. März 2016 um 14:32 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff:

[Computer-go] New application for dynamic komi

First of all congratulations to Lee Sedol for his wonderful win in round 4 against AlphaGo! The last part of the game was a bit disappointing for spectators: AlphaGo, in the expectation of losing, started making 15-kyu threads to avoid the unavoidable. One of the leading German players (FJ

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Hi Thomas, Von: "Thomas Wolf" > A suggestion for possible future games to be arranged between AlphaGo and > strong players: > > Whoever lost shall be given 1 stone or the equivalent of 1/2 stone handcap in > the > next game. Games should continue until each side has won at

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Dear Aja, congratulations to you and the whole AlphaGo team for this awesome performance of your bot! I fully understand that you take also the last two games seriously. But, please, do it in such a way that Lee Sedol will be willing to support you in further matches to come. Enjoy the day,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

Hello,   Von: "Erik van der Werf" > Very impressive results so far!   indeed, almost unbelievable. > If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some handicap > games :-) I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen: There was an

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

Congrats to the AlphaGo team also from me!   Von: "David Fotland" > Many Faces thought alpha go was ahead most of the game.  Similar with CrazyStone. After move 26 CS gave 56 % for AlphaGo and never went below this value. Soon later it were 60+ %, and never went lower,

[Computer-go] interesting paper in arXiv

I think, this new paper by Yuandong Tian and Yan Zhu is interesting for us: Better Computer Go Player with Neural Network and Long-term Prediction http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.06410 Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

[Computer-go] On AlphaGO - confidential

Hello Tian, the following is confidential, only for you. I do not know, how the situation with your go project is. But please let me know if I can help you in some way or another to convince your boss that further work on computer-go makes sense for facebook. Best regards, Ingo.

[Computer-go] Deep Zen - do we have a race now?

Read here: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=199532#p199532 Wonderfully exciting times! Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Other German poll on Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo

) voting may be interesting nevertheless. Ingo. > -- Gonçalo > > On 01/03/2016 01:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hebsacker-Verlag is the leading German provider of Go equipment. > > They have initiated a poll on the forthcoming man-machine match. > > &

[Computer-go] Registration open for Computer Olympiad 2016

The next Computer Olympiad will take place in Leiden (NL), between June 27 and July 03, 2016. Registration is open now at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1eMMw5-320zG8O-bz7IcSPN7oonD04ELFgok3azijv7k/viewform Amongst other games, several variants of Go will be played, including the new "Frisbee Go

[Computer-go] Other German poll on Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo

Hebsacker-Verlag is the leading German provider of Go equipment. They have initiated a poll on the forthcoming man-machine match. So far 278 people have voted. The distribution of expected scores is: Lee Sedol wins by 5-0: 34.2 % Lee Sedol wins by 4-1: 29.1 % Lee Sedol wins by 3-2: 12.2 % total:

[Computer-go] MCTS for Torus-Go

Hello, in the German computer go forum we currently have lots of discussion, not only on the forthcoming Lee Sdol-vs-AlphGo match but also on other aspects. Laurent Heiser (6-dan amateur) mentioned that the commercial "Crazy Stone" is particulartly strong in capturing groups in the central part

[Computer-go] German poll on March match

Hi Aja, thanks for the quick reply. In German computer go forum we have a poll on the outcome of the match in March. So far 65 persons participated. Their votes distribute as follwos: 38 Lee Sedol wins 17 AlphaGo wins 10 don't know   > We are still preparing hard for the match.  > ... >

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go

t, and a net for the 9x9 board. Ingo. Erik   On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:42 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote:Dear John, Dear Nick, Dear all, > > ... > > Suppose I want to play on either of two adjacent points, and I don't care > > which. If I a

Re: [Computer-go] longest 3x3 game

Dear John, thanks for the explanations (and paper announcement). >> ... (1 + delta)^(m*n). > > This is true, and a delta > 2 follows from a Theorem in an > upcoming paper by Matthieu Walraet and myself. Do you mean (1+delta) > 2, or really (1+delta) > 3? > > Might neural nets help to find

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Aja, > WeakBot's author might want to rename the program? It's not weak at all. :)   thanks for that comment. It is exactly what I was tempted to post. A simple change would be to WakeBot (simple shuffling the letters). By the way: is progress fine with respect to

Re: [Computer-go] Match Date: March 09 - 15

Dear Seo Sanghyeon, thanks a lot for your information. In German computer go forum FJ Dickhut (the winner of the codecentric Challenges in 2014 and 2015) gave the different levels of prize money (to Lee Sedol) for different outcomes of the match: 0:5 Lee gets 150.000 USD 1:4 Lee gets 170.000

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go

Dear John, Dear Nick, Dear all, > > ... > > Suppose I want to play on either of two adjacent points, and I don't care > > which. If I aim for one of them, I will land on one of them with probability > > (3p+1)/4, or whatever the formula says. I feel that I ought to be able to do > > better by

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee X

> Are there other games played with frisbees? I can only name a few games that may naturally be played with frisbees: Hex Havannah Connect6 (Gobang) Yavalath (by Cameron Browne) Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go

Hi all, > I don't remember if there was consensus, but can repeat my previous thoughts: > > > 1. What happens with plays unintentionally on top of stones or out of > > bounds? > > Converted to involuntary pass. Agree. > Note that a throw must have some positive probability of converting into

Re: [Computer-go] longest 3x3 game

Hi John, very interesting. Is it allowed for players to pass in between? Do these passes count like normal moves? > Found a 582 move 3x3 game... Can you give us sgf? My intuition says that there should be a constant delta > 0 such that for all board sizes m x n (with m > 1, n > 1) there exist

[Computer-go] Everybody should participate!

Possibly the last opportunity before "game over".   Ingo.     Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Februar 2016 um 15:38 Uhr Von: "Nick Wedd" An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] February KGS bot tournament Reminder - it's tomorrow   Nick   On 11 February

[Computer-go] Update: Workshop on Neural Nets in Games

t; Von: "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Workshop: Neural Nets in Games > > Hi, > together with the CG-2016 conference in Leiden also a special > workshop on "Neural Nets in Games" will take

[Computer-go] Workshop: Neural Nets in Games

Hi, together with the CG-2016 conference in Leiden also a special workshop on "Neural Nets in Games" will take place: https://cg2016leiden.wordpress.com/nn-in-games/ Short papers of 4 to 6 pages are preferred. The maximum length is 8 pages. Deadline for submissions is May 01, 2016. Notification

[Computer-go] Match Date: March 09 - 15

Hello, on the Alpha-Go website a date for the match between Lee Sedol and Alpha-Go is given: 5 rounds, to be played in Seoul on * Wednesday, March 09 * Thursday, March 10 * Saturday, March 12 * Sunday, March 13 * Tuesday, March 15 It seems that March 11 and 14 are rest days.

Re: [Computer-go] Forecasting Lee Sedol vs. AlphaGo

Hello, the "Good judgement"-site is somewhat strange. Why do they give April 01 as closing date, when the match will take place already in mid March? *** Some side information: In Germany's computer go forum we also have a forecast. So far 52 registered members gave their

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Hi George, welcome, and thanks for your valuable hint on the Google-whitepaper. Do/did you have/see any cross-relations between your research and computer Go?   Cheers, Ingo.   Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Februar 2016 um 05:14 Uhr Von: "George Dahl" An: computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Mathematics in the world

Hi Robert, we met for the first time at the EGC 2000 in Berlin-Strausberg. I know your special ways of argumenting - and think that you are an enrichment both for the go world and for the computer go scene. But ... > Without clarity, progress is delayed. Every > professor at university will

[Computer-go] Conference CG2016 in Leiden: NN in Games

Hello everybody, some weeks ago I had given a hint already on the conference CG2016 (CG standing for "Computer and Games"), to take place in Leiden (NL) on June 29 - July 01. https://cg2016leiden.wordpress.com/ The deadline for papers has been prolonged already to February 11. In view of the

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Hi Hideki, you put it wonderfully into two lines: ** ** ****** *** Much more economical methods should be

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Hi Hideki, first of all congrats to the nice performance of Zen over the weekend! > Ingo and all, > Why you care AlphaGo and DCNN so much? I can speak only for myself. DCNNs may be not only applied to achieve better playing strength. One may use them to create playing styles, or bots for go

Re: [Computer-go] Match Conditions?

Hi Aja, congratulations again to the fantastic achievement of your team! One bunch of management questions:   * How many games will be played in March between Alpha-Go and Lee Sedol? * Will it be just "X games" or some "best of X" format? * What will be the thinking times? * Will there be rest

Re: [Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

ess and Go, in chess i think Steiniz would be wiped of board by best players of today, but still he would be way better as he created much of modern chess anyway. I am pretty sure such players exists in Go as well   2016-01-30 14:23 GMT+02:00 "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.d

[Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

Hi, in a German computer-go subforum we have a discussion which involves a comparison of the "absolute" playing strengths of current hero Lee Sedol and Shusaku (1829-1862). http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shusaku It is not possible to let them play a match against each other. But what about the

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Hi Simon, do your remember my silly remarks in an email discussion almost a year ago? You had written: >> So, yes, with all the exciting work in DCNN, it is very tempting >> to also do DCNN. But I am not sure if we should do so. And my silly reply had been: > I think that DCNN is somehow in a

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Sorry for a typo. I meant > Hello Aja, >   > congratulations to the success of you and the other team memberS! So, not singular, but plural. Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

[Computer-go] Lorentz slides on early termination of playouts in MCTS

Click here for the slides of Richard's talk: https://acg2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/lorentz.pdf Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Game Over

Hello Anders, thanks for the summary on the smartgo site. > ... the truncated rollouts mentioned in the paper are still unclear to me. The greatest expert on these rollouts might be Richard Lorentz. He applied them successfully to his bots in the games Amazons (not to be mixed up with the

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Hello Aja,   congratulations to the success of you and the other team member!   To the others: Should we call the game "Goo" in the future, to honour Goo-gles progress? CHeers, Ingo. Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2016 um 19:46 Uhr Von: "Aja Huang" An: 

Re: [Computer-go] Number of Go positions computed at last

Congratulations, John! Do you want to publish your result in a paper? (One leading member in the editorial board of the "International Journal of Game Theory" is interested in such types of results. Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Januar 2016 um 05:18 Uhr > Von: "John Tromp"

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

Hi Petri, your comment was covered already by te moe general comments of Robert Jasiek and THomas Wolf. Thanks nevertheless. Ingo.     Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2016 um 12:13 Uhr Von: "Petri Pitkanen" An: computer-go Betreff: Re:

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

Hi Robert, thanks for your new (again) interesting comments. Perhaps it would be interesting to perform some experiements with a "CrazyRobert" team sooner or later ("Crazy" stand for CrazyStone, the computer part) - in the spirit of the CrazyManja experiments in 2015. I will contact you by

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

Hi Robert, thanks for the whole bunch of very intersting information. > Seki has AT LEAST two groups > Sekis can have various different shapes ... > ... stable anti-sekis (stable because other anti-sekis exist elsewhere on the > board). Can you give an example for anti-seki? > Listing

[Computer-go] Seki frequencies

Hello, Seki means a constellation on the go board with two living neighboring groups: one by Black, the other one by White. Each of the groups has only one eye. And they share a joint liberty. My question: How frequent are Seki constellations? More formally: - How frequent are Seki on 9x9,

[Computer-go] Computer Go tactics and matrix completion

Hello, the topic "matrix completion" has become famous, in particular after a competition organized by the NetFlix company. NetFlix has many customers and (not so) many films. They want to generate personalized recommendations for their customers ("you might also like movie X"). Transfer to

Re: [Computer-go] Board evaluation using a convolutional neural network

Hi Justin, that sounds interesting. WOPuld it be possible for you to train an analogous CNN for 9x9 Go? Ingo.     Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2016 um 22:30 Uhr Von: "Justin .Gilmer" An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] Board evaluation using a

Re: [Computer-go] History of influence concepts in go

Hello Robert, hello all, > Von: "Robert Jasiek" > On 09.01.2016 22:44, Justin .Gilmer wrote: > > influence > > = A1 0.3 ... > > Influence is not a one-value property. it seems that different people are using the name "influence" for different objects/properties. In the

[Computer-go] Second Call for Papers

Hello everybody, at the pivot, where June and July meet, the Computer Olympaid 2016 will take place in Leiden (NL). Of course Go on 9x9, 13x13, 19x19, Phantom Go, NoGo, ... will be played. In between the conference "Computers and Games (CG 2016)" takes place, in the mornings of June 29, June

[Computer-go] Another interesting Baier paper

Hi all, I just looked at Hendrik's website and found the publications section: http://hendrikbaier.jimdo.com/publications/ * Time Management for Monte Carlo Tree Search (2015/16) by Hendrik Baier and Mark H. M. Winands might be very interesting for our professional go programmers. In recent

Re: [Computer-go] PhD thesis on MCTS

Hi Hendrik, thanks for the info and the link. Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2015 um 13:29 Uhr > Von: "Hendrik Baier" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] PhD thesis on MCTS > > Hello list, > > I recently defended my PhD. Maybe

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

Hi Detlef, >I gave pure DCNN 54% a try against the 15 kyu version:) did I get it right, that these 54 % were from normal 6-dan games ("normal" meaning small or no handicap)? I think you need "Mueller High Handicap games" for feeding the CNN. Cheers, Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ...

Hello all, > Martin understood computer go weaknesses, so he played to exploit them. A > modern program > not specifically tuned for those weaknesses would have a much more difficult > time. Agreed. Concerning CNN bots (like darkfores3), a natural way would be to find some players of

[Computer-go] Those were the days ...

Remember 1998: In the US Go Congress an exhibition match took place: 5-dan Martin Mueller against Many Faces of Go. Martin gave 29 handicap stones - and won "handily". 29 stones - can you believe it? ManyFaces was a top bot in those days. In the meantime computer go strength has increased a

Re: [Computer-go] Wired: Google and Facebook Race to Solve the Ancient Game of Go With AI

Hi Rémi, thanks for the very interesting link. It seems that a race for a new breakthrough is open. Let's see if Abakus or Aya or CrazyStone or FaceGo or GoogleGo or Zen or some other bot will become the winner. Great times. Will we see bots on par with top humans before 2020? Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Facebook Go AI.

Hello Yuandong, thanks for your posting and welcome in the computer-go mailing list. I wish you and your team good luck for your further attempts with darkfores***. Please, keep playing on KGS. Ingo. > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. November 2015 um 21:45 Uhr > Von: "Yuandong Tian"

Re: [Computer-go] Facebook Go AI

Perhaps bots in the style of Darkforest would be good candidates to win the Handicap-29 prize... http://www.althofer.de/handicap-29-prize.html Ingo.   *** Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. November 2015 um 07:00 Uhr Von: "David Fotland"

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

Hi Josef,   > ... I think that we do not need to ensure that the stone cannot land > diagonally > by small epsilon, since ingo defined it s.t. it cannot. Exactly. "Frisbee Go Simulation" is not meant a realistic simuilation of true Frisbee Go, but as an abstract testbed for a Go variant with

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello Raffles,   > ... Since this is based on a real world variant of Go, why not base epsilon > on that? ... In "true Frisbee Go" many more aspects may be taken into account: * During the first moves one may learn how good the throwing skills of the opponent are... * weather (and wind) may

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

a connection is required, it is just up to chance who wins the fight.  It's a little silly, but was a lot of fun to play.   David On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:13:51 +0100, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: Hmm. > >> Would the game end after two unintentional

[Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

Hello, the next Computer Olympiad has been dated. It will take place in Leiden (NL), from June 27, 2016 to July 03, 2016. I want to propose a new Go variant for 9x9 board: "Frisbee Go simulation" Normal go rules apply. However, when a player wants to place a stone on "cell" (i,j), the stone

Re: [Computer-go] Correction on Frisbee Go Simulation

Sorry, I had two typos in the rules for the Frisbee Go Simulation. The statement in mind is: > However, when a player wants to place a stone on > "cell" (i,j), the stone will land there only with probability (1- 4*eps). > With probability eps each it will land on (i-1,j) or (i+1,j) > or

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

Hi David,   > I won't be able to be at the congress, participants need one person representing the bot at the event. This need not to be the main programmer. > but I think it would be pretty easy to modify MCTS to play this game.   The crucial point will be playing strength. > Do you plan to

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

nly after 4 (unintentional) passes but I see the problem when playing on a "normal" server. Ingo. > > On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > the next Computer Olympiad has been dated. > >

Re: [Computer-go] Frisbee Go Simulation

> Oh! You can have a continuous handicap control by giving the players > different epsilons. :) Right. You have "the same" in human-played Frisbee Go by having arbitrary distances from which the players have to throw their frisbees. (You may even change the distance during the game )

Re: [Computer-go] Seldom, but not alarming

> >Can you tell us the rules of the game? Maybe they help to explain the > >phenomenon. > > The game is https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/149910/six-making Thanks. It might be an interesting test-stone for MCTS procedures. > The most unusual thing I see in the UCT tree is that at all the

[Computer-go] Seldom, but not alarming

Hi Dave, > Developing a UCT robot for a new game, I have encountered a > surprising and alarming behavior: the longer think time the > robot is given, the worse the results. Can you tell us the rules of the game? Maybe they help to explain the phenomenon. (Once, Cameron Prowne had strange MC

Re: [Computer-go] Codecentric Go Challenge is over! FJD won!

Hi Urban, that is indeed a nice "small world" example.   Did you meet Dr. Georg Snatzke in the "rust meetup"? He is working for codecentric and is the connection man to the go scene (Georg is 3-dan amateur). For those who like to see

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2015, Round 2

Hello, Franz-Josef Dickhut seems to follow his standard match strategy in this year's codecentric Challenge. He had lost round 1 against Zen, and on Saturday, October 17, won round 2. Zen had problems with an unresolved semeai (and CrazyStone as an analyst as well). sgf (including chat)

Re: [Computer-go] CGF Open 2015 result

Hi Hiroshi, thanks for the info, and congratulations to "your" win on 19x19-board. Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 19. Oktober 2015 um 13:31 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] CGF Open 2015 result > > CGF Open(Computer Go

[Computer-go] David's original message

Hello, the original message by David Ormerod from GoGameGuru was: * Hi all, I usually just lurk on this list, but for those of you who are interested in an analysis of the first game, you can find one here:

[Computer-go] codecentric Challenge 2015: pro comments

Hi David, thanks for your posting. I just chased through the comments by An Younggli (8p from Korea, living in Sidney). Highly recommended, even for go beginners like me. At one point Younggil asks if MC bots (like Zen) can have something like a fighting spirit. I would say so, for instance

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2 Cents from a non-programmer; >> 1.  Limit on processor power? From my computer chess background I can only recommend not to do such a thing. The only consequence might be slower progress in computer go in general. This would conflict with my longterm hopes: * I want to see a bot win against a

Re: [Computer-go] Round 1 of codecentric Challenge 2015

Hallo, die erste Runde ist gespielt. Franz-Josef Dickhut has not at all played anti-bot go. This had its price in the end: Zen won safely by 1.5 poins margin - and had only two groups in the end: a fat moyo and one small but (Early) stable group at a border. sgf can be downloaded from

[Computer-go] Interviews for codecentric Challenge 2015

Hi, today at 14:00 CEST (so 3 and half hour from now) the codecentric Challenge starts between Franz Josef Dickhut (nick FJ on KGS) and bot champ Zen will start, in KGS computer room. Co-organizer Dr. Georg Snatzke has made interviews with the two sides. Read here:

[Computer-go] Modified Starting times for codecentric Challenge

Hello, after a collission of dates and some followup discussion we have slightly modified the starting times for the rounds of the codecentric Challenge 2015: always 14:00 h CE(S)T on Saturdays Oct 03, 17, 24, 31, and November 14. Rounds 4 and 5 will by played only when no participant has

[Computer-go] codecentric Go Challenge 2015

Hi Hideki, > Starting 8:00 UTC will clash with CGF Open (19x19), which will start at > 9:30 and will finish at 16:00 JST (7:00 UTC), October 4th. > http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA012620/cgf2015/cgf2015.html (in > Japanese). We will also have a party with professinals in night. > Could you

[Computer-go] Report KGS Slow Tournament

Hello, somehow there was no link here in the mailing list on Nick Wedd's report on the Autumn slow tournament. http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S15.2/index.html Congratulations to the surprise winner, Abakus, and the co-winners! Ingo. ___

[Computer-go] Robot Frisbee Go

Hi, some of you already know about my passion for intelligent robot game play. One of the disciplines in mind is Frisbee Go played by robots. (9x9-Frisbee Go played by humans already has a decade-long history in Germany.) Now a friend (Tanja Esser) provided an animation for Robot Frisbee Go.

[Computer-go] KGS access problem

Hello, I have problems to access the KGS server. My Firefox 40.0.3 (under Windows 8.1) is even not allowing me to visit the website www.gokgs.com. Argument: "Diffie-Hellman key is too weak" Does someone here know which person at KGS would be the right one to inform about this problem? Thanks in

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-aided Go on High-dan Level

Now I found a youtube video, showing the whole exhibition game CrazyManja vs Guo Juan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrvadZJIveA It includes also the analysis session, starting at 2h:12min. Ingo. Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. August 2015 um 17:22 Uhr Von: Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de

Re: [Computer-go] [ANN] yet another go engine : michi-c release 1.4 on GitHub

Hi Denis, thanks for your contribution. Please, let the bot participate in the September KGS tournament. Ingo. Gesendet: Freitag, 28. August 2015 um 23:00 Uhr Von: Denis Blumstein denis.blumst...@orange.fr An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] [ANN] yet another go engine :

[Computer-go] Computer-aided Go on High-dan Level

Hello, during the European Go Congress 2015 (two weeks ago in Liberec) there was also a conference on Science and Go. The proceedings are online, in pdf: https://www.sharelatex.com/github/repos/pasky/iggsc2015proc/builds/190ba3e8c196560223fda9855ed0d54312e8ca69/raw/output.pdf including the paper

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-aided Go on High-dan Level

In the congress there was also an exhibition game between team CrazyManja and professional Guo Juan (5p). Guo gave three handicap stones and won convincingly. Here is a photo, where Guo takes a photo of Manja. http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5753.0;attach=4231;image On

Re: [Computer-go] Mental Imagery in Go - playlist

Hello, thanks for your feedback. Ingo:  Tanja may be the kind of artist who could produce nice drawings of Hajin's mental images, perhaps based on my own crude sketches?  It would be unpaid work though...  Sorry, but Tanja is a professional. She hs no particular inner relation to the game

Re: [Computer-go] Fwd: mental imagery in Go

Hello,   Not sure how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go, but you might want to take a look at ... perhaps also the following is interesting for you: Visualisation of Candidate Moves http://www.althofer.de/k-best-visualisations.html Or you may like the following art work by Tanja

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