[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Sanford Whiteman
SPAMC32 0.5.55 is available for download at http://www.mailmage.com/download/software/freeutils/spamc32/release Users anticipating the big RegEx rollout will have to wait a little longer, but there are some very powerful new features and performance improvements in this release: - You can

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Log Issues

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
Yes, I'm still using LogLevel=MID. Never changed it - unless someone tells me that LOW or HIGH are more appopriate. There is a new 1.77i16 at http://www.declude.com/interim that addresses this and some other issues that have come up with 1.77i15.

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More 1.77i15 Log Issues

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
Should the Tests Failed summary line be complete, e.g., should it replace every single Failed line that appears in the HIGH log mode? This way, log analyzers can simply parse the Tests Failed summary and learn about every test AND every action? Correct. If so, I believe there may be one issue.

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Russ Uhte \(Lists\)
At 05:05 PM 1/12/2004, Sanford Whiteman wrote: I guess that was a noble try... but it didn't work. Well, it probably worked, just not enough. :) Yeah, I'll buy that! :) I'm going to try to separate the spamd/spamc processes and see how that goes. That will alleviate the utilization

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Russ Uhte \(Lists\)
At 05:52 PM 1/12/2004, Matt wrote: Russ, I'm not sure what actions will result in bypassing Declude Virus, but HOLD and DELETE surely do. Since over 80% of E-mail is spam on the typical system, that should save you a great deal over processing everything with Virus, though JunkMail is where

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Log Issues

2004-01-13 Thread nrmathew
Scott,Would it be possible, or desirable by others to name the interim executable files with the version name (ie Declude_1.77i15)? Sometimes by the time I read of a new interim release described as 1.77i15 and download it, it has become 1.77i17. Just an idea.Neal M.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Log Issues

2004-01-13 Thread nrmathew
I think I just realized why you might not want to do this - it would probably break some auto updating programs out there. Any other options?Neal M.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 01/13/2004 08:49AMSubject: RE:

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bigpond

2004-01-13 Thread David Daniels
I blocked them years ago after they ignored hundreds of spam complaints. I've had one person complain and since she is an employee I told her to have it sent to her hotmail account. David Daniels Administrator Starfish Internet Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Glen

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] More 1.77i15 Log Issues

2004-01-13 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi Scott: Okay - that's fair enough. So one should think of the line labeled Tests failed: as a line that really contains Actions taken: Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
Russ, Another idea would be to block SBL with IMail 8 so that stuff never gets to Declude. SBL can be as much as 25% of my traffic, and I weight that in Declude so that it deletes on just that one hit. This could potentially save you a good deal of processing power and be huge for your

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Russ Uhte \(Lists\)
At 03:57 AM 1/13/2004, Sanford Whiteman wrote: SPAMC32 0.5.55 is available for download at http://www.mailmage.com/download/software/freeutils/spamc32/release Users anticipating the big RegEx rollout will have to wait a little longer, but there are some very powerful new features and

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
http://www.openhandhome.com/howtosa.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Uhte (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude)

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another idea would be to block SBL with IMail 8 so that stuff never gets to Declude. SBL can be as much as 25% of my traffic, and I weight that in Declude so that it deletes on just that one hit. This could potentially save you a

[Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Has anyone else see this. After upgrading from 1.77i12 to 1.77i15 I get this I revert back to 1.77i12 and I am fine. 01/12/2004 18:39:34 Q303603930282ebed ERROR: nTests corrupted (1) 01/12/2004 18:39:35 Q303603930282ebed (Error 5 at 4234ac v1.77i15) 01/12/2004 18:39:35 Q303603930282ebed (log part

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Russ Uhte (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, this did help considerably... but not quite enough. I moved the SpamD server onto a server that currently does nothing but DNS. It is a dual PIII 1GHz machine that usually runs between 0 and 5 % utilization. With

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Frederick Samarelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone else see this. After upgrading from 1.77i12 to 1.77i15 I get this I revert back to 1.77i12 and I am fine. 01/12/2004 18:39:34 Q303603930282ebed ERROR: nTests corrupted (1) 01/12/2004 18:39:35

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
I think that I've pointed out the caveats many times over on blocking with SBL. SBL is though more accurate than my system as a whole, and I have never seen a true false positive with it. I've asked this several times; has anyone ever seen a false positive with SBL? I've not ever received a

Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Sanford Whiteman
Russ, a not too drastic option would be to run SA on a linux mail gateway sitting in front of your IMail server and then track the hit=xx.x header counts with Declude. That's what we do here, and it has worked great for us. With this configuration you could also set IMail to

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Ok. When I download the latest version. http://www.declude.com/interim It shows as 1.77i15 - Original Message - From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug - Original Message -

[Declude.JunkMail] Log File Changes

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Morgan
Hi, I am starting work on re-writing my log file analysis program for the new format. The information that I want to extract is: Fail tests with weight Total weight Action Taken From e-mail address To e-mail address Date/Time File Name I am assuming that for this information, I need MID log

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Tests Used for Deleting?

2004-01-13 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi Bill, This is of course prudent advice in general. Let me share my experiences (I'm not at all suggesting that this applies to anyone else's scenario). However, after a few years of tinkering, I did realize that (at least based on messages received by my mix of business clients) *I* was able

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i16?

2004-01-13 Thread Andy Schmidt
Same here - downloaded this morning after the announcement and my headers still read: X-Declude: Version 1.77i15; D1bad042a01feaf36.SMD from chris.usa.hm-software.com [63.107.174.138] Best Regards Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
Ok. When I download the latest version. http://www.declude.com/interim It shows as 1.77i15 This is very strange. Our log files show that 1.77i16 was uploaded twice, yet downloading it shows 1.77i15. Even after deleting the file from the web server, it can still be downloaded -- but as

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
1.77i16 here.. Perhaps a local cache? ~Rick Ok. When I download the latest version. http://www.declude.com/interim It shows as 1.77i15 This is very strange. Our log files show that 1.77i16 was uploaded twice, yet downloading it shows 1.77i15. Even after deleting the file from

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Nick Hayer
I tried this without success. Sandy's port for me is *much* slicker - -Nick Hayer From: Rick Klinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55

[Declude.JunkMail] messagescreen.com

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Does anyone have any info on this service. messagescreen.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Downloaded and installed about 5 minutes ago: Declude 1.77i16 (C) Copyright 2000-2004 Computerized Horizons. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Log File Changes

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
I am assuming that for this information, I need MID log level. On visual inspection of the MID log file, it looks like this format is: 00/00/00 00:00:00 Qx FailedTest1Name:weight FailedTest2Name:weight TOTALWEIGHT = weight. 00/00/00 00:00:00 Qx Subject: message subject

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Matt I think that I've pointed out the caveats many times over on blocking with SBL. SBL is though more accurate than my system as a whole, and I have never seen a true false positive with it. I've asked this several times; has anyone ever seen a false

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Tests Used for Deleting?

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is of course prudent advice in general. Let me share my experiences (I'm not at all suggesting that this applies to anyone else's scenario). However, after a few years of tinkering, I did realize that (at least based

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
It now shows 1.77i16 but still the same error. 1/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (Error 5 at 4127f8 v1.77i16) 01/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (log part 2 saved as C:\declude.gp2) 01/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (log part 1 saved as C:\declude.gp1) - Original Message -

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i16 Live... Really!

2004-01-13 Thread Andy Schmidt
Confirmed: X-Declude: Version 1.77i16; D2edc073800b6a083.SMD from corner-office.usa.hm-software.com [63.107.174.136] Scott - I assume this does not yet fix the SPF bug that I reported (Just asking because it was not acknowledged in any way.) Best Regards Andy --- [This E-mail was scanned for

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
Bill, It appears that your entire list is from one source, Topica. Search the archives for a discussion of Topica, how their lack of message list verification results in lots of spam, and how they are also a spam house, even sending spam from the same block of IP's. I thought this was an FP

[Declude.JunkMail] DLAnalyzer - Update Available For The New Log File Changes

2004-01-13 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
For those who have downloaded/currently using DLAnalyzer to process thier Declude Junkmail Logs an update is available that supports the new log file format found in 1.77i15+. It is also backward compatible and will still continue to work with the older log files as well. Please see the read

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
declude.gp1 file. (Error 5 at 4127f8 v1.77i16) (attempt to read at 73c098) (004127F8 0012C700 (00470AB4 0012FF68) C:\IMail\Declude.exe) (004101C5 0012C868 ( ) C:\IMail\Declude.exe) (0040D3B6 0012FF80 (0002 00620B80) C:\IMail\Declude.exe) (004322E0 0012FFC0 ( )

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] messagescreen.com

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
MessageScreen is a sophisticated anti-spam, anti-virus, and content filtering solution that is tightly integrated with Novell GroupWise, Microsoft Exchange, and Lotus Domino email platforms. MessageScreen's gateway-level filtering technology stops over 97% of spam and produces virtually no false

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SpamD/SpamC for Declude

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
Matt, legitimate messages are legitimate no matter the source that they come from, would you not agree with this? You would have deleted all of these messages, as well the other dozen or so legitimate personal messages I found. I don't see any credibility in your position here that it is

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i16 Live... Really!

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
... the SPF bug that I reported (Just asking because it was not acknowledged in any way.) That is currently being investigated. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Catches known

[Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
HI, I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS... Here are the headers. These emails are definately spam. Looks like HABEAS has been compromised? Comments Please. thanks, Andy Received: from cs78191007.pp.htv.fi [62.78.191.7] by thumpernet.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
It now shows 1.77i16 but still the same error. 1/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (Error 5 at 4127f8 v1.77i16) 01/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (log part 2 saved as C:\declude.gp2) 01/13/2004 12:44:03 Q2e6302780262ca7c (log part 1 saved as C:\declude.gp1) There is a v1.77i17 that has been

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS... Here are the headers. These emails are definately spam. Looks like HABEAS has been compromised? Yes; the pharmacourt.biz spammers have infringed on the Habeas intellectual property rights. Habeas is going after them. Until

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Larry Craddock
These emails are definately spam. Looks like HABEAS has been compromised? More like spammers are forging habeas headers and challenging habeus' ability to prosecute. Larry Craddock --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
Fwiw.. I would never whitelist any email based solely because they warranted it to be spam free... Email headers can and do get forged all the time. I have recently sent them a letter and a lot of porno and spam email for them to review.. ~Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Bill
I received 13 of these today in my personal e-mail. I changed Habeas from whitelist to weight -5 and it seems to have fixed the problem. Don't know yet if non spam is getting blocked but I doubt it. Here is a log entry after change (weight was 36 even with the -5): 01/13/2004 11:09:12

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Russ Uhte \(Lists\)
At 11:30 AM 1/13/2004, Bill Landry wrote: Russ, a not too drastic option would be to run SA on a linux mail gateway sitting in front of your IMail server and then track the hit=xx.x header counts with Declude. That's what we do here, and it has worked great for us. With this configuration you

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] messagescreen.com

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
But how does it work? Good --- bad - Original Message - From: Rick Klinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] messagescreen.com MessageScreen is a sophisticated anti-spam, anti-virus, and content filtering

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
I got that this morning as well. I commented out the HABEAS test. - Original Message - From: andyb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted HI, I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i16 Live... Really!

2004-01-13 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
More weirdness. It may only be mine. I just used wget to fetch the current interim, which was 1.77i17 and when I did a declude.exe -diag all looked good. Then I copied it to the IMail server and tried there, and got the report I'm putting in the attached text file. From my log, it looks like

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
This took actual research to figure out :) Topica is absolutely a spam house, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them populating their database with addresses and list demographics from Topica.com. Many of the lists that Topica sends out are auto-subscribed to by a bot that they

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
Wow, what does any of this have to do with delivering legitimate messages rather than deleting them? I do not intentionally deliver spam from any source, including these - but I do deliver the legitimate messages sent from any source(ah, the true benefits of a spam weighting system). You,

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Same problem. 01/13/2004 13:53:21 Q3ea002ea02623b93 ERROR: nTests corrupted (1): 961824839-200 01/13/2004 13:53:22 Q3ea002ea02623b93 (Error 5 at 42351c v1.77i17) 01/13/2004 13:53:22 Q3ea002ea02623b93 (log part 2 saved as C:\declude.gp2) 01/13/2004 13:53:22 Q3ea002ea02623b93 (log part 1 saved as

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 1.77i15 Bug

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
Same problem. 01/13/2004 13:53:21 Q3ea002ea02623b93 ERROR: nTests corrupted (1): 961824839-200 There is a 1.77i18 at http://www.declude.com/interim that should fix this. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Log File Changes

2004-01-13 Thread Bill
From visual inspection, it looks like there is also warning lines in this format: 01/07/2004 00:13:11 Qa376165600fc12a6 WARNING: some type of error report here These are easy enough to ignore during my analysis. Are there other types of lines that may be of concern? Thanks, Bill

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Nick Hayer
Can anyone recommend a web interfaced dns management console for end users? Want end users to be able to manage their own domains eg: adding, deleting, edits. Thanks much! -Nick Hayer --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
TREADING LIGHTLY I think what Matt maybe saying, is that even if legit messages come through Topica, Topica may be harvesting those addresses from the legit messages for use in unintended ways, AKA spam. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMC32 (SpamAssassin SPAMC for Declude) 0.5.55 released

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Russ Uhte (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill... This is what I would like to do, but there are a couple issues/questions I have. Russ, we should probably take this off-line. But briefly: 1. How do I reject messages with an invalid RCPT TO: command? There

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Andy, Habeas has not been compromised. Since Saturday, a spammer has been using the Habeas warrant in the headers to get his junk past configurations like yours. This header text is easy to insert. Note that the X-Mailer: header is also being faked. Each of the spams I've seen like this have

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
Bill, If this stuff comes from the same IP, both good and bad, then how do you tell it apart? Do you merely rely on content filters? Their servers send lots of spam and they are well aware of the problems. When you combine their semi-legit business with the fact that they are spamming openly

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
This was whitelisted as it is/was part of the default config file... - Original Message - From: Rick Klinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:25 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted Fwiw.. I would never whitelist any email based solely

[Declude.JunkMail] Habeas fraud?

2004-01-13 Thread Omar K.
Several spam emails are being whitelisted by declude, I didn’t know what was causing it as I don’t have any whitelisting going on, until I noticed the habeas header. Am I correct in thinking that this spam messages got whitelisted because of Habeas? And if so, what next step should I take other

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
So I got to ask then, is this a good enough reason to delete legitimate messages? Bill - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Kevin Bilbee
You did not mention the DNS server being used. like BIND, Simple DNS, MS DNS??? Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail]

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
I have been reporting as they come up. Thanks, Andy - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
Yup, http://www.jhsoft.com Works.. No problems at all ~Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Joshua Levitsky
Except that you are contributing to their database of valid addresses so you get other spam and you are doing "business" with a spammer... even if it is a free list. The point that Matt makes.. which is a valid one.. is that Topica shouldn't be used by anyone because their existance makes

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
John, That's part of it, but that part was only speculative. Topica does harvest from the Web and newsgroups for their spam for sure. Topica is a very shifty company that likes to juggle address blocks. In order to avoid listings, they have an active campaign to encourage people to whitelist

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
Hi, If people can use Habeas headers to get their spam delivered, then Habeas HAS been compromised. To say otherwise is a symantic difference that I don't care to debate. Bottom line is that Habeus Warrant doesn't mean anything right now. As for a configuration like mine, as I said, this is

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
GENERAL WARNING. More control available to the end user means more problems can be created by the end user. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Hayer

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Joshua Levitsky
When the messages come from a system that participates in building spam lists and the distribution of spam then yes. You must take a stand that you won't have anything to do with a company like Topica. By using the legitimate part of their business you are feeding their corrupt part of

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Joshua Levitsky
On their website you can report the spam and they will go after them... in theory... but for now because so many people are bundling the headers in spam you should probably not whitelist Habeas headers. -- Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSP System Engineer Time Inc. Information Technology [5957 F27C

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
I'm not deleting legitimate messages the last time I checked. If my customers want to sign up for Topica, they can add them to their Web mail address book. I figure that this is only a transition period until Topica loses all of their legit business due to their practices. Clearly, I am well

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Hosting Support
Hi Nick, I put together a simple one in .NET for MS DNS that uses SQL2K and the dnscmd utility to manage the most common functions in DNS (adding, deleting Host and MX records). Note that it does currently require IIS, the .NET framework, and SQL2K on the MS DNS server. If you're interested, we

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Nick Hayer
I'm using bind 8x but I would switch no problem to have the user interface... -Nick From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console Date sent: Tue, 13 Jan

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky Except that you are contributing to their database of valid addresses so you get other spam and you are doing business with a spammer... even if it is a free list. The point that Matt makes.. which is a valid one.. is that Topica shouldn't

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message I guess this goes towards where one chooses to draw the line - spammersvs. "organizations supporting spammers". Someone who knowingly gets involved with a spammer, should probably expect that their email will not longer be delivered reliably. Similar to blocking an

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
I whole heartedly agree. Allowing end users, who usually know nothing about how DNS works, to manage their own domain zone files I think is a recipe for disaster. Just me 2 cents... Bill - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Hosting Support
Totally agree, John. That's why the simple interface I put together has multiple security levels: one for users that could get into trouble by accidentally deleting their MX records and www, etc. hostsand another for more educated users who can be trusted to manage those. Generally shared

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPF Bug!

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
I believe I found a bug in your SPF implementation. http://www.infinitepenguins.net/SPF/check.php?action=spfcheckipv4=195.127.133.117helo=uli4[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.infinitepenguins.net/SPF/check.php?action=spfcheckipv4=195.127.133.117helo=uli4[EMAIL PROTECTED] will PASS, because

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Joshua Levitsky
- Original Message - From: Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL Guess what, the rules for ISPs and other businesses are different then those that are applied to private e-mail domains like joshie.com.

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky When the messages come from a system that participates in building spam lists and the distribution of spam then yes. You must take a stand that you won't have anything to do with a company like Topica. By using the legitimate part of their

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Topica and SBL

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guess what, the rules for ISPs and other businesses are different then those that are applied to private e-mail domains like joshie.com. Guess what? I work for AOL. Just because I happen to run my own domain doesn't

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] *OT* Web dns management console

2004-01-13 Thread Kevin Bilbee
A quick google search of BIND WEB INTERFACE gave me lots of hits. try www.DNSZONE.ORG Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE:

[Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
SPF counts for the past couple of weeks: == 1 1st.net PASS 1 accesscomm.ca FAIL 8 alta-vista.com FAIL 1 alta-vista.com FAIL 3 altavista.co.kr FAIL 2 altavista.co.uk FAIL 106 altavista.com FAIL 12 altavista.com FAIL 2 altavista.de FAIL 3 altavista.fr FAIL 2 altavista.fr

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Thanks for sharing, Bill. Can you also shed some light on these for us? 35 pointshare.com FAIL 39 Pointshare.com FAIL 10 pointshare.com FAIL 17 pointshare.com PASS 1 pointshare.com UNKNOWN Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Bill Landry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Colbeck, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for sharing, Bill. Can you also shed some light on these for us? 35 pointshare.com FAIL 39 Pointshare.com FAIL 10 pointshare.com FAIL 17 pointshare.com PASS 1 pointshare.com UNKNOWN The passes are from a

[Declude.JunkMail] SPF unknown

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
Scott, is there currently any way to distinguish between the following unknown records: - unknown (record exists) - unknown (record does not exist) Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
I appreciate the explanation Bill. I won't be implementing SPF until it's aged a little and I am confident that I understand it aright. The score of 35 and 10 look like the same domain; were they to mail hosts with different MX records? I assume that the 39 score is separate because of

[Declude.JunkMail] safe way to whitelist this

2004-01-13 Thread David Dodell
I get email from the susd.org domain on a regular basic, but they are poorly setup. The headers appear as such: X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [204.228.60.250] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BASE64, HELOBOGUS, REVDNS, WEIGHT10 [10] X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES-destination X-Note: This E-mail was

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPF unknown

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
Scott, is there currently any way to distinguish between the following unknown records: - unknown (record exists) - unknown (record does not exist) Not currently (per the specs for SPF). However, there have been people using SPF on other platforms that have been requesting a distinction, so

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry
And now to go into SPF for Dummies territory, the mailfroms were definitely spoofed, or in the normal course of events could have been mailing list or greeting card invitations that unwisely put in the sender's address in the mailfrom instead of their own? It could be either. However, the burden

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] safe way to whitelist this

2004-01-13 Thread Matt
Don't whitelist, negative weight if you are the administrator. There are two things to go after, the MAILFROM, or the REMOTEIP. It appears that the school district has only one mail server, in which case you could create a filter file called PSEUDO-WHITE and add in the following line:

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SFP is catching on...

2004-01-13 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Has there been any real stance on what people are actually doing with this test? negative weight is it returns PASS, adding weight if it fails? Darrell Bill Landry writes: SPF counts for the past couple of weeks: == 1 1st.net PASS 1 accesscomm.ca FAIL 8 alta-vista.com FAIL

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] safe way to whitelist this

2004-01-13 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Personally I try not to whitelist. If the mail comes from a few servers than you can setup a reverse weight IPFILE for there specific IP addresses. Whitelisting is very suspectible to forging. I learned the hardway by whitelisting @dell.com and a spammer took me to town with that. Now I

[Declude.JunkMail] Another ip4r paid service site

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
http://www.the-carrot-and-the-stick.com http://www.the-carrot-and-the-stick.com/How_To/index.php?VIEW=direct_query ip4raccept.the-carrot-and-the-stick.com127.0.0.5 ip4rreject.the-carrot-and-the-stick.com127.0.0.10 Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Another ip4r paid service site

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
That looks like a joke to me? A company that actually thinks email marketing is legit? I don't believe any email marketing company. Period. That site looks so phony they don't even have a email point of contact.. At least none that I could easily find. All I could discern is that they have a web

[Declude.JunkMail] explanation of errors, where to find?

2004-01-13 Thread Roland Braun
Hi all, bad headers, broken mail clients and so on ar logged together with error numbers like 804e. Where can we review explanations of these error codes? Thanks! Roland -- Dr. Roland Braun Max Planck Institute for Comparative Public Law and International Law Im Neuenheimer Feld 535;

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] explanation of errors, where to find?

2004-01-13 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: Roland Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED] bad headers, broken mail clients and so on ar logged together with error numbers like 804e. Where can we review explanations of these error codes? There is a code look-up page at http://www.declude.com/tools/header.php