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Lending a Hand

2013-08-14 Thread Robin Molnar

Hello,

I'm Robin, I do QA and is good to be here. Thus, I look forward to our
working together on this great product.

Have a great day!

R.

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Re: [RELEASE]: preparation for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

On 8/13/13 6:55 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
 2013/8/13 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com
 
 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 But if
 we change it it annoys potentially other users. The question is what
 would be the correct and most often wanted default.

 What is the purpose of showing margins, and by extension, seeing text
 smaller, (less zoom level)?. Is there any data the user can put on
 Margins? change the margin colors? put pictures in margins?. In short:
 what use is there for margins taking a sizeable portion of the screen
 size?

 
 
 I do not see those margin you talk about and for a good reason: I never use
 maximized windows. I hate maximized windows. Other people love maximized
 windows, of course, but many of us just hate them: how do you count how
 many people is on each camp?
 
 Default values are an important discussion point and I started a couple of
 threads about defaults in the past, but defaults are also an incredible
 difficult question where almost all possible answers are at the same time
 wrong and right for someone.
 
 I propose to start (again) a discussion about default values, but not now:
 let's concentrate on 4.0.1.

please start a new thread for this topic. It's a feature/enhancement
discussion and doesn't belong to the topic of this thread

Thanks

Juergen


 
 Regards
 Ricardo
 
 
 

 I'm not saying we should NOT show margings, after all, in Optimal
 width, a portion of the margins is seen, but not 50-100 pixels of
 them, on every side.

 I'm not even saying the view with margins is wrong, maybe someone
 wants to look at the bigger picture. But for TYPING text, optimal
 width is the best. So, again, why isn't that option the default?.

 Maybe the UX guys can comment?. And yes, I'd love to see a survey. And
 even better, some telemetry (like Firefox' ) about how many users,
 when typing or browsing text documents, end up viewing the document in
 optimize width mode).

 Thanks for taking the time to answer, btw. Appreciate it.
 Best regards,

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[RELEASE]: propose translation deadline for AOO 4.0.1

2013-08-14 Thread Jürgen Schmidt

Hi,

it seems that besides new languages some communities are working on
fixes/improvements of the existing translation which is fine for me.

To coordinate this work with the rest I would like to propose a general
translation deadline for new languages as well as updates of existing ones.

I propose September 6th, 2013 - 12:00 UTC at noon

Please take this date into account of any translation related planning.
Changes after this date won't make it into AOO 4.0.1 and the earlier you
have finished the work the better it is and you will have more time for
testing and potential further fixes.

The general workflow is to create an issue, assign it to me and request
the showstopper flag. When the translation is ready put a comment in the
issue to signal that it can be integrated.


Thanks
Juergen

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Re: [Pootle] about translating AOOE site

2013-08-14 Thread Roberto Galoppini

2013/8/13 janI j...@apache.org

 On 12 August 2013 23:47, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:

  2013/8/12 janI j...@apache.org
 
   On 12 August 2013 11:11, janI j...@apache.org wrote:
  
   
   
   
On 12 August 2013 11:01, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote:
   
Am 12.08.13 10:56, schrieb janI:
   
 On 12 August 2013 10:48, Roberto Galoppini 
   roberto.galopp...@gmail.com
**wrote:
   
 Could we create a pootle project on translate.apache.org to
 upload
AOOE PO
files and get them translated?
   
 I have the karma to do that, but sorry for my lack of knowledge,
  what
is
AOOE compared to AOO ?
   
Apache OpenOffice Extension Website?!
   
   
that was too simple, why did I not see that.
   
  
   Project is created, so as soon as I get the files I will put them on
 the
   vm. After the initial load anybody can download them, and users can
  upload
   changes.
  
 
 
  Great!
 
  Just a small comment: there is a typo on the project name: there is a
  missing i between the f and the c: it says Apache OpenOffce Extensions.
 

 corrected (not by me someone was faster).

 I am still waiting for the initial batch of po files, you cannot load the
 primary set yourself.


Thanks Jan,

 We are now cleaning up PO files that actually contain thousands of Drupal
strings, I'll be back to yo with an English, German and French versions in
few days. If it works fine we'll be able to add the Polish version right
away.

Roberto


 In general we need .pot (po template files for en-US), these act as
 template files for all languages.

 Furthermore an administrator (e.g. me) needs to activate new languages,
 currently no languages are active.

 rgds
 jan I.

 
  Regards
  Ricardo
 
 
 
 
  
   rgds
   jan I.
  
   
thx.
rgds
jan I.
   
   
   
If you make the po files available to me, I can do it relative
 fast.
   
rgds
jan I.
   
   
 Roberto
   
   
   
   
  
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Debian Build Scripts

2013-08-14 Thread Mike Dupont

Hi there,
I am looking for the debian source packages and or debian/rules for
apache open office, can anyone give me some pointers?
mike

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Re: Debian Build Scripts

2013-08-14 Thread Herbert Duerr


On 14.08.2013 12:57, Mike Dupont wrote:

I am looking for the debian source packages and or debian/rules for
apache open office, can anyone give me some pointers?


AOO creates its Debian packages using EPM [1] when the configure option 
--with-package-format=deb is given to the AOO build. They are 
assembled when AOO builds its main/postprocess module using some perl 
scripts in main/solenv/bin/


[1] http://www.msweet.org/projects.php?Z2

Herbert

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Re: Debian Build Scripts

2013-08-14 Thread Mike Dupont

Thank you, that is what I was looking for!
mike

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote:
 On 14.08.2013 12:57, Mike Dupont wrote:

 I am looking for the debian source packages and or debian/rules for
 apache open office, can anyone give me some pointers?


 AOO creates its Debian packages using EPM [1] when the configure option
 --with-package-format=deb is given to the AOO build. They are assembled
 when AOO builds its main/postprocess module using some perl scripts in
 main/solenv/bin/

 [1] http://www.msweet.org/projects.php?Z2

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Re: unexpected behavior from configure -- new env script not generated

2013-08-14 Thread Andre Fischer


On 13.08.2013 23:02, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:


On 13 August 2013 21:03, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:


Yesterday, I did a dmake clean to start over with my build, and then
proceded with autoconf and configure. I had chagned my ant version a

while

back and this was reflected in my configure call. Much to my surprise,

the

old ant version seemed to be stuck' in configure's brain, and it took

me a

while to track this down and just delete my existing shell environment
script. Then the configure worked as expected. This was the ONLY change

in

my configure params

Any guesses as to the cause of this?
* Is this a problem with *my* system autoconf or configure ?
* is this how things normally work and we should document this in the

build
I have had similar problems a couple of times.

I used to have source LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh in .bashrc, meaning
environment was set when I ran configure.

After having a couple of strange problem (in my case with epm), I took
source... out of .bashrc, so securing that I run configure without the
AOO environment, since then I have not had problems.

Due to my genLang tests, I do configure a couple of times pr week (to test
my build changes).

hope it helps.
rgds
jan I.

instructions ?


  got around it by just deleting my *.sh file and then running configure
again. If I knew more about autoconf, I could just put some code in that to
delete it.  Configure is supposed to create the environment -- part of the
AC_OUTPUT I think, so this is why I asked about this.  In my case, my *.sh
is not getting overwritten but seemingly reused. 


Deleting the *.sh file when running configure would not have the desired 
effect.  The problem is not that the file exists but that it has been 
run prior to calling configure.  Run configure in a 'clean' shell and 
you should have no problems.


-Andre






I'm looking at configure.in etc but since I'm not an autoconf guru,

well,

what to do.

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Re: unexpected behavior from configure -- new env script not generated

2013-08-14 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann


Hi,

On 14.08.2013 14:28, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 13.08.2013 23:02, Kay Schenk wrote:

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote:


On 13 August 2013 21:03, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:


Yesterday, I did a dmake clean to start over with my build, and then
proceded with autoconf and configure. I had chagned my ant version a

while

back and this was reflected in my configure call. Much to my surprise,

the

old ant version seemed to be stuck' in configure's brain, and it took

me a

while to track this down and just delete my existing shell environment
script. Then the configure worked as expected. This was the ONLY change

in

my configure params

Any guesses as to the cause of this?
* Is this a problem with *my* system autoconf or configure ?
* is this how things normally work and we should document this in the

build
I have had similar problems a couple of times.

I used to have source LinuxX86-64Env.Set.sh in .bashrc, meaning
environment was set when I ran configure.

After having a couple of strange problem (in my case with epm), I took
source... out of .bashrc, so securing that I run configure without the
AOO environment, since then I have not had problems.

Due to my genLang tests, I do configure a couple of times pr week (to
test
my build changes).

hope it helps.
rgds
jan I.

instructions ?


  got around it by just deleting my *.sh file and then running configure
again. If I knew more about autoconf, I could just put some code in
that to
delete it.  Configure is supposed to create the environment -- part of
the
AC_OUTPUT I think, so this is why I asked about this.  In my case, my
*.sh
is not getting overwritten but seemingly reused. 


Deleting the *.sh file when running configure would not have the desired
effect.  The problem is not that the file exists but that it has been
run prior to calling configure.  Run configure in a 'clean' shell and
you should have no problems.



This is my experience, too.
Esp. under Linux I always start with a new shell, when I want to 
configure my AOO build environment.


Best regards, Oliver.




I'm looking at configure.in etc but since I'm not an autoconf guru,

well,

what to do.

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We're working now on AOO 4.0.1, to fix defects in AOO 4.0.0. The fact
that we're doing this, and their are no arguments against it, shows
that we value quality. I'd like to take this a step further, and see
what we can learn from the defects in AOO 4.0.0 and what we can do
going forward to improve.

Quality, in the end, is a process, not a state of grace. We improve
by working smarter, not working harder. The goal should be to learn
and improve, as individuals and as a community.

Every regression that made it into 4.0.0 was added there by a
programmer. And the defect went undetected by testers. This is not
to blame. It just means that we're all human. We know that. We all
make mistakes. I make mistakes. A quality process is not about
becoming perfect, but about acknowledging that we make mistakes and
that certain formal and informal practices are needed to prevent and
detect these mistakes.

But enough about generalities. I'm hoping you'll join with me in
examining the 32 confirmed 4.0.0 regression defects and answering a
few questions:

1) What caused the bug? What was the root cause? Note:
programmer error is not really a cause. We should ask what caused
the error.

2) What can we do to prevent bugs like this from being checked in?

3) Why wasn't the bug found during testing? Was it not covered by any
existing test case? Was a test case run but the defect was not
recognized? Was the defect introduced into the software after the
tests had already been executed?

4) What can we do to ensure that bugs like this are caught during testing?

So 2 basic questions -- what went wrong and how can we prevent it in
the future, looked at from perspective of programmers and testers. If
we can keep these questions in mind, and try to answer them, we may be
able to find some patterns that can lead to some process changes for
AOO 4.1.

You can find the 4.0.0 regressions in Bugzilla here:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=doremremaction=runnamedcmd=400_regressionssharer_id=248521list_id=80834

Regards,

-Rob

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[BUILD] Linux32 snapshot configure

2013-08-14 Thread Andrew Rist

Here is the current configure statement for the Linux32 bot - is this 
correct, and what changes would make it better?


./configure \
--with-jdk-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk \
   --with-epm-url=http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
\
   
--with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2;
   \
--enable-verbose \
--without-stlport \
--enable-category-b \
--enable-opengl \
--enable-dbus \
--enable-gstreamer \
 --with-package-format=installed rpm deb \
 --enable-bundled-dictionaries \
 --with-lang=ast cs de el en-GB en-US es fi fr gd gl hu it
   ja km ko nl pl pt pt-BR ru sk sl ta zh-CN zh-TW ca eu he hi id lt sv
   th tr  \
--with-vendor=Apache OpenOffice buildbot \
--with-build-version=%(today)s-Rev.%(got_revision)s \

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