Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Dave Caroline
Re apt360, the maintaner is lurking on irc most of the time so can be contacted. The channel on freenode where cam gets discussed is #cam and he is there (crotchet) I did download it and had a play, the source is interesting Dave Caroline

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-08 Thread Lars Andersson
Thanks, the function exists, the documentations is there, I _have_ been looking, but I did not find it. I never thought of that name hypot -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: den 8 februari 2012 08:28 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject:

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Anders Wallin
Thanks for the heads up. That textual CAM package is very interesting, even though it neither documents our LinuxCNC dialect nor provides a more human readable variant of same. We could change our goal to gcode generation, but that would mean abandoning current goals. The cam-zone blog has

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Anders Wallin
 I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. In my world all gcode generating software languages will undercut or gouge the material deemed to be the desired material to include in the desired part. This happens at random times. Usually only

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2012 05:37, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: But is the following much more readable than raw gcode? INDIRV/0,1,0      $$ direction the tool initially moves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(programming_language) Has an example. I think it is a little clearer

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Claude Froidevaux
Le 08.02.2012 08:50, Don Stanley a écrit : Hi All; All my shop EMC2 applications are running on D510M0's. Is this also a good choice for the new one? After EMC2 was taught how to deal with the D510M0's printer port strangeness, the have done great except for boot up after being powered down

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Jan de Kruyf
just for fun: check powersupply cable check power connectors onto the board check harddrive power connectors check memory connectors check cpu connector. for check read: apply contactcleaner (not the lubricating type) liberally and plug in and out a few times. otherwise this might be your

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 08.02.12 11:00, andy pugh wrote: On 8 February 2012 05:37, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: But is the following much more readable than raw gcode? INDIRV/0,1,0      $$ direction the tool initially moves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(programming_language) Has

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/08/2012 01:53 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 February 2012 07:01, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: The lathe I can get all metal gears for, but the mill I would love to belt drive somehow, I put metal replacement gears in my mini-mill, and converted to oil-bath lubrication

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2012 12:51, Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net wrote: Have you had a chance to glance over what the experimental parser does with your idea for grouping all Spindle commands into a conceptual and syntactical group, outlined in this morning's post, a little upthread? Not

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2012 13:10, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I've got the belt drive on my mini mill, and can whole-heartedly agree with Andy on the noise reduction.  Plus, no more broken plastic gears to worry about. The metal gears don't break, but they are a _lot_ noiser than the

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com:  I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. So, another conclusion from this discussion would be Do Cutsim instead !? Joseph Coffland seems to have independently made great progress at

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/08/2012 06:58 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 February 2012 13:10, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I've got the belt drive on my mini mill, and can whole-heartedly agree with Andy on the noise reduction. Plus, no more broken plastic gears to worry about. The metal

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2012 14:02, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Erik proposed this line: Arc CW X0 Y1 Centre X1 Y0.5 Feedrate 25 Is centre x1 y0,5 are incremental distance from current point or absolute coordinates of center point? I think that it means absolute X and Y, and that an

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com: -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: den 8 februari 2012 08:28 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 8 February 2012 14:02, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Erik proposed this line: Arc CW X0 Y1 Centre X1 Y0.5 Feedrate 25 Is centre x1 y0,5 are incremental distance from current point or absolute coordinates of center point? I think

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 08.02.12 14:02, Viesturs Lācis wrote: Thirdly, I tend to agree with Steve Blackmore, who posted in another thread that g-code is basically a standard in cnc world with lots of minor variations, but the essence is the same. IMHO drifting away from it would considerably decrease appeal of

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 07:28:46 AM andy pugh did opine: On 8 February 2012 07:01, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: The lathe I can get all metal gears for, but the mill I would love to belt drive somehow, I put metal replacement gears in my mini-mill, and converted to

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2012 14:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That would take a lot of math I don't have a clue about how to do in order to fit the teeth precisely to the diameter of each step, all diddled so the motor comes back to the same rest position for each speed. There is a handy

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_ users in having a more explicit input syntax, which is then converted to gcode. Thank You for clarification! I am all right now :) Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_ users in having a more explicit input syntax, which is then converted to gcode.

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 08:27:41 AM andy pugh did opine: On 8 February 2012 14:52, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That would take a lot of math I don't have a clue about how to do in order to fit the teeth precisely to the diameter of each step, all diddled so the motor

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/2/8 Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com: I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. So, another conclusion from this discussion would be Do Cutsim

[Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Spiderdab
Hi, finally i'm trying to get my new Keling motors and drivers work, together with a C35 BoB from cnc4pc. I wanted to use the charge-pump function (that, if i understood, act as a watchdog), so i need a signal coming from LinuxCNC every 12,5 kHz, as written in the manual. On our wiki i've found

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Spiderdab 77...@tiscali.it: In the same link is written also that one can add a new thread, if the base thread period is different from what needed (mine was 49k and something..). So do you think is better to add a new thread dedicated to the SCHP (charge-pump), or to lower the

Re: [Emc-users] Classic ladder questions and comments

2012-02-08 Thread sam sokolik
I did a bit more testing on 2 different machines. The atom 330 dual core and a asus/amd similar to what is in the KT This is the atom http://pastebin.com/VMZDVrjc http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/atom/Screenshot-1.png The more powerful amd system http://pastebin.com/aGUGPvwv

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 17:08 +0100, Spiderdab wrote: Hi, finally i'm trying to get my new Keling motors and drivers work, together with a C35 BoB from cnc4pc. I wanted to use the charge-pump function (that, if i understood, act as a watchdog), so i need a signal coming from LinuxCNC every

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread spadnos
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_ users in having a more explicit input syntax, which is then converted to

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Spiderdab
Il giorno mer, 08/02/2012 alle 09.01 -0800, Kirk Wallace ha scritto: On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 17:08 +0100, Spiderdab wrote: Hi, finally i'm trying to get my new Keling motors and drivers work, together with a C35 BoB from cnc4pc. I wanted to use the charge-pump function (that, if i

[Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread Oscar Chaides
Hi, some body has the manual for a SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric?, i google it without luck and the people of Dana Motion said i to old for support -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Thomas Powderly
Swp, Stuart, On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:02 AM, spad...@sover.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Viesturs LÄ cis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_ users

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 18:09 +0100, Spiderdab wrote: ... snip Thanks for answering. The charge-pump works with the charge-pump rt component into hal, i just wanted to gain some suggestion on using a dedicated new thread or if it's ok to use base-thread. Following your memory, i'll try to use

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:54:10 PM spad...@sover.net did opine: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Viesturs Lؤپcis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Spiderdab
Il giorno mer, 08/02/2012 alle 09.38 -0800, Kirk Wallace ha scritto: On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 18:09 +0100, Spiderdab wrote: ... snip Thanks for answering. The charge-pump works with the charge-pump rt component into hal, i just wanted to gain some suggestion on using a dedicated new thread or

Re: [Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 11:32 -0600, Oscar Chaides wrote: Hi, some body has the manual for a SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric?, i google it without luck and the people of Dana Motion said i to old for support You should be able to get a fair amount of information with a

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. In my world all gcode generating software languages will undercut or gouge the material deemed to be the desired material to include in the desired part. Well,

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 8 February 2012 05:01, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I might suggest crating a custom HAL component to do the S * factor * sqrt(X^2 + Y^2) just to cut down on all the procedure calls http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/hypot.9.html

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: I would be willing/able to contribute to the process in some manner. I don't care so much about the 'free' description, I want APT on linux. If it has already been translated from FORTRAN to C, and is text-based (as opposed to graphical) then it should be easy to run

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Hi Steve, Yes, I have seen that page. A couple years ago I had everything set up and working just like the page shows. I even programmed a ruled surface I created to try a 5 axis swarf cut. As it remember it the post was not 5 axis complete yet. The development was progressing slowly and then it

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Ian W. Wright
On 08/02/2012 11:57, andy pugh wrote: Not really, I am living in a hotel in the Arctic at the moment, and have no access to Linux. What's up Andy - not cold enough for you at home?? It certainly is here!! Ian --

Re: [Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 01:01:09 PM Oscar Chaides did opine: Hi, some body has the manual for a SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric?, i google it without luck and the people of Dana Motion said i to old for support You are asking about the driver not the motor?

Re: [Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 10:11 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 11:32 -0600, Oscar Chaides wrote: Hi, some body has the manual for a SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric?, i google it without luck and the people of Dana Motion said i to old for support

Re: [Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread Oscar Chaides
Hi the only info i need is how to configure the maximum current in the driver, there is a dip switch with 4 switches that i gees is for that porpoise. Thanks -- Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:11:47 -0800 From: Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com Subject: Re:

[Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
Greetings all; I have now managed to wreck 3 or 4 half completed attempts at this board by typu's in my code driving the tapered hole probe too far, so I have turned to the contact probes construction. 1. Assume the spindle carrying the ground is turning 2-400 rpms so that any runnout is

Re: [Emc-users] SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 03:07:41 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 10:11 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 11:32 -0600, Oscar Chaides wrote: Hi, some body has the manual for a SLO-SYN 440-TH125 stepper driver from Superior Electric?, i google it

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Dave
The D510MO was discontinued by Intel. I'd go with the Intel MW525 board instead. You can buy them from almost everyone and they work well with LinuxCNC. Plus they have a real DB25 LPT port! :-) They take laptop memory instead of desktop memory sticks but that has been cheaper the last time

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread doug metzler
I second the D525MW - Used it on my last build with a solid state drive. Very nice. DougM On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: The D510MO was discontinued by Intel. I'd go with the Intel MW525 board instead.  You can buy them from almost everyone and they work well

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:44:57 -0600, you wrote: I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. In my world all gcode generating software languages will undercut or gouge the material deemed to be the desired material to include in the desired part.

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread John Stewart
And, I'll third the MW525 motherboard. Remember to turn off hyper-threading in the bios, though. It is my first linuxcnc machine, and the install (with gecko g540) went incredibly well. I think that the memory i purchased was something like $14.99 or so for each 2meg module; I could be

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:06:51PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: 2. The response to a true from the probe is at worst the servo threads lag to get the stopping initiated. So I do 2 probes, one at say 4ipm, back up a bit, 0.010 maybe, and redo it at say .2 ipm for a final G38.2 snapshot

[Emc-users] Another silly Q? And needle threader based probe report.

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
Greetings; Do I need to have run the machine to X,Y=0.000 before I program a G10 L2 P2 X#offset to set G55 to run at -0.1000 from the G54 positions? Or can I do that anytime the G5x mode is not in that specific mode? Needle threader probe: Is working quite well, I even went Z-0.050 from

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 06:32:13 PM Ben Jackson did opine: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 03:06:51PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: 2. The response to a true from the probe is at worst the servo threads lag to get the stopping initiated. So I do 2 probes, one at say 4ipm, back up a bit,

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 06:38:48PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: If you are using stepgen underneath you can capture the position at the base period instead. It's tricky in 2.4 (to cancel out the zero offsets) but I think someone brought out a simpler pin in 2.5. I use that trick to get

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 07:05:59 PM Ben Jackson did opine: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 06:38:48PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: If you are using stepgen underneath you can capture the position at the base period instead. It's tricky in 2.4 (to cancel out the zero offsets) but I think

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 07:08:51PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: https://github.com/bjj/2x_laser/blob/master/2x_Laser.hal I had to go back to the top of it where you renamed the BASE_THREAD to make sense out of it, but now I see how its done. Kewl, thanks bookmarked, Ben.

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread James Louis
To all, For what it's worth, I have used the following components from Mini-Box.com many times without a single problem. I think that it is just about the perfect motherboard for a dedicated (stand alone) LinuxCNC machine: Intel D510MO 1GB DDRAM SATADOM-2000-4GB PicoPSU-80 12V DC-DC ATX If

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread James Louis
Oops...sorry. I didn't realize the D510MO was discontinued. The same components with a MW525 motherboard should be equally reliable however. That's a good tip to turn off hyper-threading in the bios! Jim -Original Message- From: James Louis [mailto:james.lo...@gastechnology.org] Sent:

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, February 08, 2012 08:29:06 PM James Louis did opine: To all, For what it's worth, I have used the following components from Mini-Box.com many times without a single problem. I think that it is just about the perfect motherboard for a dedicated (stand alone) LinuxCNC machine:

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote: The D510MO was discontinued by Intel. I'd go with the Intel MW525 board instead. You can buy them from almost everyone and they work well with LinuxCNC. Plus they have a real DB25 LPT port! :-) They take laptop memory instead of desktop memory sticks but that has been

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Dave
The D510 was actually out for several years, but it was only very late in the I didn't realize that. Thanks for correcting the 525 board number, I didn't realize I had mangled the number. Dave On 2/8/2012 11:08 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Dave wrote: The D510MO was discontinued by Intel.

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Don Stanley
Thanks All; The D525MW wins. Don On 2/9/12, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: The D510 was actually out for several years, but it was only very late in the I didn't realize that. Thanks for correcting the 525 board number, I didn't realize I had mangled the number. Dave On 2/8/2012

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 9 February 2012 01:38, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: And I know there is a debounce gizmo I have not studied yet, can it be made suitably slow at going back false only? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/debounce.9.html Or perhaps there is a re-triggerable one shot

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 9 February 2012 02:30, James Louis james.lo...@gastechnology.org wrote: Intel D510MO 1GB DDRAM SATADOM-2000-4GB PicoPSU-80 12V DC-DC ATX If you want to surf the internet on your CNC mill then maybe something else would be better. With the 8GB SSD that is exactly the components in my

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-08 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 09, 2012 02:22:45 AM andy pugh did opine: On 9 February 2012 01:38, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: And I know there is a debounce gizmo I have not studied yet, can it be made suitably slow at going back false only?