to attach to a JIRA issue)
-Submit the software grant from Adobe [1], which includes the md5
digest of the dump file
-Once the grant is confirmed, create a JIRA issue for the ASF infra
team to import the dump
-Bertrand
[1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
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people
on the list about it so the code can get reviewed, voted in/out and
eventually comitted to the SVN by some committers?
Dirk.
2012/1/4 Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com
So for practical reasons, I think we're going to start with
commit-then-review.
If you try to commit a new
://www.twitter.com/jonbcampos
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-caching certain domains/resources -
our RSL domain being a prime candidate.
If not, there's going to be an immediate (network) performance hit for users
of ApacheFlex.
(not a committer - sorry if this is speaking out of turn)
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side other competing technologies. I
have had a few blog posts about the transformation of Flex and really,
this is exactly where it is going to happen on the low level.
Mike
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are benefiting from signed RSLs and that using more
modules wouldn't make your app faster?
Anyway, I agree it will be problem, but we will have to learn to live with
it. My longer term goal is to make RSLs obsolete by improving modularity in
the framework.
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into SVN,
I'm not sure what qualifiers we have to put on it because it might still
have some legal issues.
I wouldn't worry about what we call it right now.
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should be careful to share what they
do here and in svn, and avoid working in their own corner for months,
IMO. Commit early, commit often, in a way that's visible on this list.
-Bertrand
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is potentially a
lot more important than the SDK, perhaps not in short-term, but in the
long-run it is going to make all the difference.
cheers,
Roland
On 5 January 2012 19:17, Michael Schmalle m...@teotigraphix.com wrote:
Quoting Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com:
The compiler IS the Flex
On 1/5/12 1:37 PM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com wrote:
Are we allowed to use the current logo? I thought we were under the
assumption we couldn't; but I don't actually know that.
We are still trying to determine if the current logo can be used or
modified.
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the compiler to convert MetaData into AS properties, but
otherwise, we have to live with the language pretty much as is.
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can't just make the Nike swoosh smaller
or a different color or have a slightly straighter look.
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that compile-time DI would be legal ActionScript in
that you could output the AS that is going to run. (Sort of like the
-keep-generated-actionscript option today). That would make it a whole lot
easier to debug.
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On 1/5/12 3:38 PM, Tink f...@tink.ws wrote:
So, something like,
[Inject]
private var test:Foo
Maybe, but you're still using Metadata, for which I am not a fan.
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On 1/5/12 8:13 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
What would help is to know what the experts here feel is the best html
wrapping for swf?
Adobe Flex defaults to using SWFObject which is found in Google Code under
an MIT license.
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directory (without an embedded compiler)
you'll probably have to create a 4.6 project, remove the libraries and point
your source-path to the code from Apache. More details later when we get to
that point.
Sorry for the delay,
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in history. We are trying to commit to SVN with past
history.
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into some other legal or technical hurdle.
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On 1/8/12 12:58 AM, Sebastian Mohr masul...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you see the need to make more surveys?
I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in issues,
the community votes on it. Serious discussion should probably happen on the
list.
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tend to have a deadline. JIRA is an open ended survey. And even
then, folks in this project don't have to do what is popular. They can
submit a bug fix that is only bugging them as long as it doesn't break
anything else.
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in anyway to help setup jira?
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Campos jonbcam...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
I would want JIRA to be our constantly running survey. Folks put in
issues,
the community votes on it. Serious
written in Java. And that is
more likely to become its own project. But we'll see.
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or extend it, and I'm pretty sure the framework DI will not be
parsing metadata at runtime.
Once we get JIRA up and the old issues ported, enter issues for anything not
already in there and get votes for it.
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that is very granular and uses
lots of composition. I have prototypes where HelloWorld is a 28K swf.
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to
make the project successful so Apache Flex continues to have customers, but
we will hopefully have tons of folks contributing their own short-term stuff
as well so I will hopefully have time to continue to massage longer-term
ideas and get folks involved in that as well.
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-compiler integrated into the IDE?
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it, they are free to start
building it.
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to put it somewhere else. I plan to use my whiteboard
space for that something else.
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or FDS, or some of the other hundreds of tools around creative development
:)
Well, I'm not going to ask. Maybe one of my colleagues will.
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around declarative
graphic primitives, MXML-only skins, and tooling integration that motivated
the decision to build up a new set.
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...@adobe.com wrote:
I'm not going to ask either. I don't think there should be a prize.
I asked Aaron Houston if the AUG team would like to sponsor this... he felt
that this was more in-line with the Product team, so we should ask them.
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http
and sacrifice
some backward compatibility. Trying to carry all of our legacy forward is
probably not going to make it successful.
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technology
should be unaffected until it gets a chance to take advantage.
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succeed, use a bigger hammer. - Unofficial
motto
of the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
--
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If at first you don't succeed, use a bigger hammer. - Unofficial
motto of
the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
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On 1/10/12 2:56 PM, Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it. I would think we would set
up a flex-user mailing list instead.
Perhaps the word official is problematic. It's
on it.
I posted a call for contributors on the BlazeDS forum and didn't get any
response. Unless the mentors make a good argument to the contrary, I think
we're going to bring the code into the Flex project after we get everything
else set up and running and cut a release or two.
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that at the same time I'm saying we could have incrementally fixed MX,
I am also saying I'm going to start my own new set in my whiteboard space.
So I'm not saying that incremental is always the way to go, I was supporting
Doug claiming that Spark was largely tied to FC.
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using Adobe Flex
should continue to ask questions on the Adobe forum. I think that's why
there has been no requests for help on flex-dev yet.
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that
Apache Flex may not even have anything to release by the conference. Oh...
and...
If folks are motivated enough to have a conference and play by the rules,
I'm pretty sure they can find a way. There are Apache Conferences already.
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for that. I
think it is ok for you to promote your channel on those forums.
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will
make noise and get heard via other methods.
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barriers related to the cross-compilation issue.
But I don't want to spend any more time discussing it right now. We need to
get a couple of regular release in ActionScript as we know it out the door.
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be separation of concerns or no file
should be more than XXX lines would mean that everyone would have to suffer
from such a performance hit.
Me, I would cheat there.
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On 1/11/12 11:20 AM, Michel Boudreau michelboudr...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the idea Bertrand. I changed the title of the chan to Apache Flex
Help Channel.
I am not in favor of Apache in the title for this channel.
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for
it is not too far removed from the old days of fitting a DOS program into
640K of memory.
Even if the language allowed abstract classes, the overhead of having them
is too high. Having interfaces for every class is too expensive. Thus, no
rule can be universally applied.
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of these things
would be un-enforced in the runtime? Maybe you should just compile Java to
ABC?
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-mode to
see what it would be able to do...
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in the project, vs simply using the source and assets in the project.
That's why coding practice discussions should happen on the dev list. Not
everyone on the dev list is required to help users so they may not be on the
users list.
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http
, and they are tasked with making Apache Flex
successful, so I think it will be fine if they continue to manage these
things. Our project might want to set up its own channels.
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. To clarify my
negative vote, think there is only a use of a users mailing list when there
is an actual release build for Apache Flex and personally don't think best
practices discussions would necessarily belong in there.
- Peter
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committers from starting
a port to Haxe in their whiteboard space. I personally won't work on it
simply because there are plenty of other things I think are higher priority.
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) If not, is Adobe still committed to work on the Cairngorm 3 libraries?
I cannot speak for the folks who are responsible and don't wish to take the
time to hunt them down right now.
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one that best fits
them. I don't think it is right or worth the time to settle on a particular
practice.
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don't think we want to
lose that.
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solution.
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for the PPMC to go
with. A popular vote in these circumstances is not controlled enough.
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to other ideas.
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. The API version changes
whenever we need to drastically change behavior of existing APIs or are
adding significant new APIs. I think the Player's version changes according
to rules around revenue recognition and upgrade policies.
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there are many people on this list with deeper understanding of the
flash player so please enlighten me. Is such an approach even possible for
Flex?
Such a thing is possible, although there may be issues around accessibility.
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will just have to live with
any confusion as best as possible. As I said earlier, the folks now
responsible for that page also want to make the Apache project successful,
so I suspect they will reference the Apache project in their communications.
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, especially without an Apache release to even compare it to.
The Apache Flex project will not be successful unless the releases are of
high enough quality that those customers are willing to move to it. Let's
make it happen.
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objection or
attempt to veto on my part.
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is just one person voting no
So Doug should really start a VOTE thread?
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.
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but considering
a large number of bindable properties that some classes can have,
evaluating all the getters might be way heavier.
Does this seem a candidate for a patch in the compiler or does anyone see
any drawback from this approach that I'm not considering?
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/maintaining it. Now that the
cost is effectively zero, folks can certainly try to come up with a tool or
utility to replace it.
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to change the way collections detect changes as well.
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!
Hmm, didn't see much support in your email, and I think your goals are too
lofty. This project can be successful without becoming a standard approved
by Apple/Google/Microsoft.
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it interested in, the
getter is invoked, if not, nothing happens (i.e. it doesn't force all
the getters to be re-evaluated).
True, unless the handler is inefficiently written, but even then, the
handler is pounded an awful lot and it would be nice to optimize that a bit.
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On 1/14/12 1:55 AM, Matthew Poole mattjpo...@gmail.com wrote:
are you thinking screen readers or something else?
The entire focus and screenreader subsystem is currently unavailable in
Stage3DView. But that might change...
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On 1/15/12 4:19 AM, jude flexcapaci...@gmail.com wrote:
What situation does ...force all the getters to be re-evaluated?
Stopping in the debugger with the object referenced in the context.
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the Legal PMC.
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or the other by
having listed on Apache Flex.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have a way of finding these frameworks and other
useful information from the Apache Flex site, but I do agree with your point
about how to stay on top of it and fairness of who gets listed.
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an admin and
I can do it? I have a list of versions, components, etc if you need it.
Also, I asked Infra about custom fields which would be helpful for us, but
that question seems to get ignored. Should I log an INFRA issue for that?
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-all will be slow and it is very easy to end up there since we don't
force strong-typing in the code. Probably better to simply to be stricter
and simply not allow ambiguity. You could also introduce a new keyword to
mark one method as the default or catch-all
Thoughts?
David.
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to simply reflect which
additional parameters got added in which version.
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for our
IT department to get us the dump, then make it available to Apache
Infrastructure. We hope to have the dump on Tuesday.
Sorry again for the delay.
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On 1/17/12 1:01 PM, Michael A. Labriola labri...@digitalprimates.net
wrote:
Alex any movement on this?
My hope is still that Adobe will donate this thing and finish development in
the open. It would send a strong commitment to Adobe wanting to work with the
community.
I don't have any
.
Soon can't be soon enough in my book. The earlier the better.
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.
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own project, but given the amount of work required to get Flex going as a
project, I have to say it would be much less work to donate it within the
Flex project. However, I plan to worry more about that in April or May.
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. It is pretty much up to the community to decide.
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cause confusion. I will try to
find out for sure. I don't think we can go back to 1.0 because of the
version checking scheme already in there.
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confirmation that FlashBuilder will not be using years, so my
proposal is that Apache Flex uses years. The first release, even if it is
just approximate parity with Adobe Flex 4.6 would be called Apache Flex
2012. Any other release cut this year would be a point release (Apache
Flex 2012.1)
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work directly in Apache Flex. Any
changes they make will be reviewed and submitted by an Adobe committer to
the Apache Flex project or simply submitted as a patch.
Meanwhile, the Adobe committers will be working directly in the Apache Flex
source.
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On 1/18/12 8:56 AM, peter.e...@gmail.com peter.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't the trademark donated etc.
The trademark is not donated at this time. Legal is still looking into it.
There is still no guarantee that Flex will be the final project name, but I
continue to be hopeful.
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On 1/18/12 3:14 AM, Cosma Colanicchia cosma...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be great if this framework could be open-sourced and
donated to Apache as well..
It is on the list for evaluation. No timetable at this time.
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just thinking loud here ;) ).
I'm not sure how difficult accessibility would be.
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the source before they commit it?
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or new features then maybe not.
I'm not sure we'll have automation in the first Apache release.
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with that too
soon.
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you remind me who it was that
promised it would be donated?
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prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the
sender immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the original
transmission. Thank you.
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.
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found the winning logo had an infringement we hadn't considered.
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.
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(binding)
ID 27: 1pt
ID 38: 1pt
ID 46: 1pt
ID 49: 1pt
ID 50: 1pt
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(as opposed to sampling profilers). I have a prototype and have
used it to diagnose various issues. There are some flaws that need fixing
before it can be a real tool. I think monocle might be using it.
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On 1/19/12 12:02 PM, Martin Heidegger m...@leichtgewicht.at wrote:
On 20/01/2012 04:32, Alex Harui wrote:
The injection of data that is fixed from the time of compilation (not
before) is a reasonable thing to be added to a compiler. Why? Because it
bloats code a lot more if it has
of our problem is the branch we are working from is a branch of
a branch. The dump of the branch we prepared for Apache only contains the
changes Carol made and doesn't contain the history of changes for the parent
branch, or that parent's branch, which is what we really want.
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