Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-31 Thread dmccunney
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > >> I have an assortment of sites bookmarked that make effective use of >> Flash, but Flash is an option, and they can be used without it. >> (The sites are art, design, and fashion sites... > > Please give some example what they do with flash. Do

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Dennis, > I have an assortment of sites bookmarked that make effective use of > Flash, but Flash is an option, and they can be used without it. > (The sites are art, design, and fashion sites... Please give some example what they do with flash. Do they use it for example for their image galler

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:12 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > >>> 2). >>> http://youtube-eng.blogspot.nl/2015/01/youtube-now-defaults-to-html5_27.html > > Very nice :-) > >> I infer that you need a relatively current browser. > > Yes, and those video codec libraries are not small at all. > S

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-30 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Dennis, >> 2). >> http://youtube-eng.blogspot.nl/2015/01/youtube-now-defaults-to-html5_27.html Very nice :-) > I infer that you need a relatively current browser. Yes, and those video codec libraries are not small at all. So even if you would add just enough HTML5 to a DOS browser to displ

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Dave Kerber wrote: > No, dialup does not require copper. I know from personal experience that > it works fine on a FiOS or DSL line. If you have a dialtone when you pick > up your landline phone, a dialup modem will work. True, and I sit partially corrected. I

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> But I'm not holding my breath while Flash goes away. A technology that >> pervasive and deeply embedded doesn't simply go away overnight. It >> needs to be replaced, and the content that used

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-29 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > >>> Flash isn't going away on the desktop, and is still maintained. I >>> just had Firefox Nightly complain I was running an older and possibly >>> vulnerable version of the plugin an

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2015-01-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: >> On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney >>> wrote: > Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a >>

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-23 Thread Dave Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:35 PM > To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview > ver 2.60) > ... &g

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-23 Thread Dave Kerber
al questions about FreeDOS. > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview > ver 2.60) > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Dale E Sterner > wrote: > > > Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a > carrier. > > Dial up use

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-22 Thread Dale E Sterner
Broadband will always be used but should be used by only people who can be trusted. Using it everywhere is dangerous. Its so fast and quiet. The theft is complete before an alarm can be raised. Its like giving a burglar the ability to quietly clean your house out in 5 second. DS On Sun, 21 Dec 20

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-22 Thread Dale E Sterner
Broadband makes such stealing so easy. It would take several truck loads of floppies to steal that much data. Broadband goes everywhere in a company. Its quiet and super fast. It can empty files out faster than a speeding bullet. Access to it should be manually controled at a switch board by specia

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Michael Brutman
The conversation is getting silly.​ Sony got hacked. Like many large corporations, they are very concerned about threats from outside. But once an intruder is inside, every door in the building was basically found to be unlocked. Good security is layered security - getting in the front door doe

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread dmccunney
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a carrier. Dial up uses analog signals transmitted over copper wire. Fiber is digital end-to-end. When you dial up, you presumably use a modem and connect via an RJ45 jack to

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Dale E Sterner
Copper is long gone and my dial up still works.Fiber is just a carrier. Peon is anyone who takes orders from a boss. Just about everybody. Dial up is so slow it would take years to clean out Sony instead of minutes or hours. Sony was most likely an inside job. Some peon probably did it - revenge or

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread dmccunney
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > If I were running Sony the peons would have dial up and broadband would > be limited to a few special people would tightly control its use. What has Sony to do with anything? They aren't a telco or an ISP, and do not provide broadband s

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-21 Thread Dale E Sterner
If I were running Sony the peons would have dial up and broadband would be limited to a few special people would tightly control its use. Dial up still works the same without copper - real slow DS On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:34:01 -0500 dmccunney writes: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Dale E S

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-20 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Bob Schwier wrote: > I'll miss copper because it continued to serve in a black out. Without power > there is no fiber optic. That's what battery powered cell phones are for. I was around when the major blackout hit the NE. The fact that what is now Verizon supp

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread Bob Schwier
I'll miss copper because it continued to serve in a black out. Without power there is no fiber optic. bs On Fri, 12/19/14, dmccunney wrote: Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60) To: "Disc

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > Improved tech makes things better; just ask Sony. Broadband use made the > hacks possible. Broadband made hacks delivery *faster*. They were already *possible*. Viruses were a pestilence back when everything was still DOS and dial up. >

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-19 Thread Dale E Sterner
Tax time; my dos Qpro macros will be adding up my incomes so I can pay the man. Improved tech makes things better; just ask Sony. Broadband use made the hacks possible. My dial up is so slow it takes a half hour to download a virus, plenty of time to hit stop. DS On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:35:20 -050

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-18 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: > >>> DOS is not dead but people need to treat DOS as DOS, not as a second >>> coming of Linux... >> >> The fundamental issue for DOS is exactly what you *do* with it, and >> *why* you might use DOS in pre

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> Even if all Intel based PCs are equipped with 64bit capable CPUs, they >> will just as happy run 32bit or even 16bit code just fine. > Assuming OS support is there. The instruction set is the same. > Various system calls may not be. If you want to run DO

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 3:56 PM, dmccunney wrote: > I was talking about what you see if you go to purchase a > desktop/laptop/netbook/what have you. IoT kit is not stuff end users > will run to access the Internet and browse websites. Then why would you use DOS for those kind of tasks? It's the same thing.

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: >>> Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a >>> new x86 machine these days that *isn't* 64 bit. ARM is still lar

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: >> >> And why *should* they target legacy machines? Exactly how long is >> something supposed to be supported? >> >> Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Ralf Quint
On 12/16/2014 2:50 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: > Hardware is steadily smaller, faster, and cheaper. Have fun finding a > new x86 machine these days that *isn't* 64 bit. ARM is still largely > 32 bit, but that's changing too, and we're likely to

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Louis Santillan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:32 PM, dmccunney wrote: [SNIP] >> There is a pervasive bias against anything that isn't "Windows, OS X, >> or Linux", and those (at least in modern, supported versions) don't >> target legacy machines (esp. nothing older than a P4). The trend seems >> to be to eventually

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM, dmccunney wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> >>> The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that >>> all web browsers (and OSes and cpus) are created equal. Most aren'

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM, dmccunney wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > >> The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that >> all web browsers (and OSes and cpus) are created equal. Most aren't >> supported well, if at all. Even the developer

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:05 PM, "Jose Antonio Senna" wrote: > I agree with D M Cunney that javascript is the most important > shortcoming of DOS browsers, but I think HTML5 less needed > than SSL v3 People are full speed ahead on HTML5 largely because the keyword will theoretically let you st

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Jose Antonio Senna
Thomas Mueller said: > There are some Linux distros for older computers, and NetBSD and > FreeBSD can be installed on older computers. > But building packages or the system from source is likely to be > prohibitively slow on older machines. But these distros do not run newer browsers. Indeed

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > The point I'm trying to make is that it's pointless to pretend that > all web browsers (and OSes and cpus) are created equal. Most aren't > supported well, if at all. Even the developers who know how just don't > care enough. > > If you aren't usi

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-16 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Rugxulo: > "Light-weight"? First of all, Linux (and similarly Windows and Mac) > don't target older machines. To them, an old machine is i686 with 256 > MB of RAM, and even that is "too old" for most distros. The bare > minimum (for now) seems to be a Pentium 4, and that won't be supported >

Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-15 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, sorry for late reply, On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Rugxulo: > > Even the lighter-weight graphic web browsers for Linux/Unix support > Javascript and HTTPS, > Mozilla Firefox and Seamonkey, and maybe some others, also support HTML5, "Light-weight"? First of a