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*Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Does ChatGPT have choices?
I "can't help myself", so here goes:
I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exi
istent with Transformer-based neural nets.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10450673/
From: Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith
Date: Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 11:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Cc: David Eric Smith
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> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
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> Does ChatGPT have choices?
> I "can't help myself", so here goes:
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> I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exit ramp)
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On 1/26/24 4:18 PM, glen wrote:
You're probably more competent at parsing it than I am, which is why I
said "enjoyed" rather than some other stronger description of my
reaction. But when you say "plain language" and "common sense", I
blanch a bit. I thought they were talking about things like
On 1/26/24 3:13 PM, glen wrote:
I enjoyed this brief assessment of subjective probability/plausibility:
https://home.snafu.de/erich/ibe_2023.pdf
And I kindasortamaybe agree with their conclusion in favor of
"convergence":
"Convergence: Traditional epistemic values can over time yield
don’t have the same molecular composition from identical histories, so there
is no reason to think we’d all react the same way.
*From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
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On 1/26/24 12:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
We don’t have the same molecular composition from identical histories,
so there is no reason to think we’d all *react* the same way.
is that technically *act* or *re-act*? Like my pachinko analogy, it is
all *re*action, all the way down... no
I just learned about the work of De Finetti who apparently added the
notion of "subjective probability" to the extant body of Bayesian
probability at the time (1937). "Probability is not about the system
but rather about your knowledge of the system"...
From Wikipedia
*Bruno de
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Absolutely. If we parse out what character or personality means, we might come
to the idea that it's a forcing structure comprised of the cumulative
consequences of past decisions. If one's "identity" is (and has bee
ed to. The more addicted they are, the less free
> will.https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/02/the-big-idea-could-you-have-made-different-choices-in-life-J.
Original message From: glen Date:
1/26/24 4:19 PM (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
Breaking B
The concept of causality is so irritating. It's like some kind of cafeteria
style religion, where you pick and choose whatever attribute you like and toss
all the attributes you dislike. So Marcus' identification of uncorrelated
observations speaks directly to SteveS' assignation of an
+1
Every failed communication effort I engage in is followed by my reaction to the
failure. When I've been primed that day/week to be calm and collected, my
reaction is to either try again or politely quit the effort. But when I've been
primed to be reactionary and aggressive, my reaction
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From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 9:32 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards the
self-regulation of guilt, and in that sense has more “freedom”.
Yah... that's
I don’t think it is the explanation in their case. They are just sociopaths.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 9:32 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards
The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards the
self-regulation of guilt, and in that sense has more “freedom”.
Yah... that's kinda the vibe I get from DT, Bannon, Stone, Miller and
many of the Jan 6 crowd.
I have a thing with the triad of Blame/Shame/Guilt I think
The person that knows their path is bound, rationally discards the
self-regulation of guilt, and in that sense has more “freedom”.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 8:41 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Science
good to hear your "voice", DaveW!
Finally, the ideal of "non-attached" action and the omniscience that
comes with achievement of Satori allows one to consciously and
intentionally take the "correct," non karma accruing, action at every
moment seems like the ultimate 'free will' in the sense
Science fiction: *The Traveler*, by John Twelve Hawks is set in a dystopian
(near future) 'Big Brother' world of absolute and constant surveillance. The
hero, a "Traveler" uses a random number generator to make every action choice,
else be eliminated by the evil forces controlling the world.
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
LLMs are causal models. Science is about building causal models.It is
bizarre to me that there are scientists that carve out a special case for their
own mind. Even people like Scott Aaronson talk this way
Smith
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 7:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Does ChatGPT have choices?
I "can't help myself", so here goes:
I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exit ramp) for
his recent &qu
On 1/25/24 13:34, Jochen Fromm wrote:
Could you say that a strong character or personality reduce our free
will too, because they restrict our choices and decisions?
On 1/26/24 8:18 AM, glen wrote:
Absolutely. If we parse out what character or personality means, we
might come to the idea
Does ChatGPT have choices?
I "can't help myself", so here goes:
And in the spirit of recursion, I fed my text to both GPT-4 and Bard
asking for a "concise summary"
Bard: "I'm just a language model,so I can't help you with that."
and
GPT:
"The text is a contemplative reflection on
Does ChatGPT have choices?
I "can't help myself", so here goes:
I've been reading Sopolsky's "Behave" which paves the runway (or exit
ramp) for his recent "Determined". His deep background in
neuroendocrinology leads to some very compelling arguments which pretty
much degenerate to:
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Absolutely. If we parse out what character or personality means, we might come
to the idea that it's a forcing structure comprised of the cumulative
consequences of past decisions. If one's "identity" is (and has been)
quasi-stable a
Does ChatGPT have choices?
From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 3:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
Anyone interested in feeding FRIAM Archive to a custom LLM. :-)
Prompt: Interpret
Yes, the path unclear but the steps certain given the context.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 3:20 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
GNU Debugger?
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle
Anyone interested in feeding FRIAM Archive to a custom LLM. :-)
Prompt: Interpret Marcus use of gdb analogy in this thread:
GPT:
The analogy used by Marcus in the context of the TV show "Breaking Bad" and
the concept of free will involves a comparison with using the "step"
command in GDB (GNU
GNU Debugger?
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
> Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in
Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: [FRIAM]
I lived in New Mexico for 20 years, and I thought that series was perfect for
Albuquerque. As the series draws to a close years later, the viewer gets some
insight into the Santa Fe area, too.
Now there’s the truly weird, and rather unwatchable, dark comedy “The Curse”,
on Paramount. I
On 1/15/24 11:01, Don Lemons wrote:
"Virtue ethics" is a standard phrase in philosophy.
Yes, that's the way my friend intends to use it. He claims to have been
formally trained in philosophy. But I don't care very much about the jargon.
What I care about is what he says when he graduates
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1/15/24 7:37 PM (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM]
Breaking Bad I have a friend who calls himself a "virtue ethicist". He means it
in some jargonal sense. But if I hear him with charity, what he means is
something like moral intuitionism. And it's simply another
"Virtue ethics" is a standard phrase in philosophy. It is an ethics
attributed to Aristotle for whom ethics flows from a life of the practice
of virtue to the extent of having it become part of one's character and
habit. Virtue ethics is opposed to an ethics that aims at some good end or
to an
Jochen,
Now you know what the countryside looks like around here.
Frank
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, 10:46 AM Jochen Fromm wrote:
> The TV series Breaking Bad was created 10 years ago, but I only recently
> was
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